Hi, Interesting, it seems AS6185 moved traffic from all CDN to their own content network. I noticed big spikes in traffic and complaints about slowness, figured out, Apple content (especially updates) are not coming from a numerous co-hosted CDN, but became "live", congesting upstreams. So much efforts on collocating endless CDN in premises to keep things closer to users and handle traffic surges, and yet again, some companies keep inventing their own. P.S. I dont know if it is bug, but whois at ARIN return "No match found for n + 17.0.0.0/8" for 17.0.0.0/8, but works fine for single ip from this range, like 17.0.0.0, and returns info about 17.0.0.0/8
Breaking from current CDN infrastructure without reasonable accessibility to the new CDN is a problem. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denys Fedoryshchenko" <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:27:07 AM Subject: Apple moved from CDN, and ARIN whois Hi, Interesting, it seems AS6185 moved traffic from all CDN to their own content network. I noticed big spikes in traffic and complaints about slowness, figured out, Apple content (especially updates) are not coming from a numerous co-hosted CDN, but became "live", congesting upstreams. So much efforts on collocating endless CDN in premises to keep things closer to users and handle traffic surges, and yet again, some companies keep inventing their own. P.S. I dont know if it is bug, but whois at ARIN return "No match found for n + 17.0.0.0/8" for 17.0.0.0/8, but works fine for single ip from this range, like 17.0.0.0, and returns info about 17.0.0.0/8
Apple started moving traffic off 3rd party CDNs to their own CDN six years ago. This is not a new development. Also, I see no issues with an ARIN whois lookup for that prefix. ~ % whois 17.0.0.0/8 % IANA WHOIS server % for more information on IANA, visit http://www.iana.org % This query returned 1 object inetnum: 17.0.0.0 - 17.255.255.255 organisation: Apple Computer Inc. status: LEGACY whois: whois.arin.net changed: 1992-07 source: IANA # whois.arin.net NetRange: 17.0.0.0 - 17.255.255.255 CIDR: 17.0.0.0/8 NetName: APPLE-WWNET NetHandle: NET-17-0-0-0-1 Parent: () NetType: Direct Assignment OriginAS: Organization: Apple Inc. (APPLEC-1-Z) RegDate: 1990-04-16 Updated: 2017-07-08 Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/17.0.0.0 ... ... On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 11:41 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Breaking from current CDN infrastructure without reasonable accessibility to the new CDN is a problem.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From: *"Denys Fedoryshchenko" <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> *To: *nanog@nanog.org *Sent: *Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:27:07 AM *Subject: *Apple moved from CDN, and ARIN whois
Hi,
Interesting, it seems AS6185 moved traffic from all CDN to their own content network. I noticed big spikes in traffic and complaints about slowness, figured out, Apple content (especially updates) are not coming from a numerous co-hosted CDN, but became "live", congesting upstreams. So much efforts on collocating endless CDN in premises to keep things closer to users and handle traffic surges, and yet again, some companies keep inventing their own.
P.S. I dont know if it is bug, but whois at ARIN return "No match found for n + 17.0.0.0/8" for 17.0.0.0/8, but works fine for single ip from this range, like 17.0.0.0, and returns info about 17.0.0.0/8
Mine is default whois on latest stable ubuntu. x@x:~$ whois --version Version 5.5.6. Report bugs to <md+whois@linux.it>. x@x:~$ whois 17.0.0.0/8 # # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use # available at: https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/tou/ # # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at # https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/inaccuracy_reporting/ # # Copyright 1997-2020, American Registry for Internet Numbers, Ltd. # No match found for n + 17.0.0.0/8. # # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use # available at: https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/tou/ # # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at # https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/whois/inaccuracy_reporting/ # # Copyright 1997-2020, American Registry for Internet Numbers, Ltd. # On 2020-09-24 18:57, Tom Beecher wrote:
Apple started moving traffic off 3rd party CDNs to their own CDN six years ago. This is not a new development.
Also, I see no issues with an ARIN whois lookup for that prefix.
~ % whois 17.0.0.0/8 [13] % IANA WHOIS server % for more information on IANA, visit http://www.iana.org % This query returned 1 object
inetnum: 17.0.0.0 - 17.255.255.255 organisation: Apple Computer Inc. status: LEGACY
whois: whois.arin.net [14]
changed: 1992-07 source: IANA
# whois.arin.net [14]
NetRange: 17.0.0.0 - 17.255.255.255 CIDR: 17.0.0.0/8 [13] NetName: APPLE-WWNET NetHandle: NET-17-0-0-0-1 Parent: () NetType: Direct Assignment OriginAS: Organization: Apple Inc. (APPLEC-1-Z) RegDate: 1990-04-16 Updated: 2017-07-08 Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/17.0.0.0
... ...
On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 11:41 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Breaking from current CDN infrastructure without reasonable accessibility to the new CDN is a problem.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] Midwest Internet Exchange [6] [7] [8] [9] The Brothers WISP [10] [11] [12]
-------------------------
From: "Denys Fedoryshchenko" <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:27:07 AM Subject: Apple moved from CDN, and ARIN whois
Hi,
Interesting, it seems AS6185 moved traffic from all CDN to their own
content network. I noticed big spikes in traffic and complaints about slowness, figured out, Apple content (especially updates) are not coming from a numerous co-hosted CDN, but became "live", congesting upstreams. So much efforts on collocating endless CDN in premises to keep things closer to users and handle traffic surges, and yet again, some companies keep inventing their own.
P.S. I dont know if it is bug, but whois at ARIN return "No match found for n + 17.0.0.0/8 [13]" for 17.0.0.0/8 [13], but works fine for single ip from this range, like 17.0.0.0, and returns info about 17.0.0.0/8 [13]
Links: ------ [1] http://www.ics-il.com/ [2] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL [3] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb [4] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions [5] https://twitter.com/ICSIL [6] http://www.midwest-ix.com/ [7] https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix [8] https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange [9] https://twitter.com/mdwestix [10] http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ [11] https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp [12] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg [13] http://17.0.0.0/8 [14] http://whois.arin.net
Not everything is moved. patrick@TiggerBook-C-32 ~ % dig www.apple.com […] ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.apple.com. 219 IN CNAME www.apple.com.edgekey.net. www.apple.com.edgekey.net. 12102 IN CNAME www.apple.com.edgekey.net.globalredir.akadns.net. www.apple.com.edgekey.net.globalredir.akadns.net. 849 IN CNAME e6858.dsce9.akamaiedge.net. Obviously different people will get different answers. But the point is, Apple is not completely off 3rd party CDNs. Or maybe they are back on 3rd party CDNs? -- TTFN, patrick
On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Breaking from current CDN infrastructure without reasonable accessibility to the new CDN is a problem.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Denys Fedoryshchenko" <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com <mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>> To: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:27:07 AM Subject: Apple moved from CDN, and ARIN whois
Hi,
Interesting, it seems AS6185 moved traffic from all CDN to their own content network. I noticed big spikes in traffic and complaints about slowness, figured out, Apple content (especially updates) are not coming from a numerous co-hosted CDN, but became "live", congesting upstreams. So much efforts on collocating endless CDN in premises to keep things closer to users and handle traffic surges, and yet again, some companies keep inventing their own.
P.S. I dont know if it is bug, but whois at ARIN return "No match found for n + 17.0.0.0/8" for 17.0.0.0/8, but works fine for single ip from this range, like 17.0.0.0, and returns info about 17.0.0.0/8
participants (4)
-
Denys Fedoryshchenko -
Mike Hammett -
Patrick W. Gilmore -
Tom Beecher