Hi all, Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC: The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation · Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing) Mike
20kW is not an insignificant power requirement, I’m not surprised your requirement is pricy. From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> On Behalf Of harbor235 Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2024 7:46 am To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: COLO space in EU Hi all, Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC: The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation * Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing) Mike
So they have a charge just to have the capacity present of 7000 euros/month and then .278 euros per KWh on top of that? I wish I could get away with charging that. Aaron ------ Original Message ------
From "harbor235" <harbor235@gmail.com> To "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org> Date 12/11/2024 12:45:52 PM Subject COLO space in EU
Hi all,
Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation
· Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
Mike
Yea, looks like whoever did that quote does not really want the business and is pricing it as such From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Aaron Wendel Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2024 8:05 am To: harbor235 <harbor235@gmail.com>; NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: COLO space in EU So they have a charge just to have the capacity present of 7000 euros/month and then .278 euros per KWh on top of that? I wish I could get away with charging that. Aaron ------ Original Message ------
From "harbor235" <harbor235@gmail.com <mailto:harbor235@gmail.com> >
To "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> > Date 12/11/2024 12:45:52 PM Subject COLO space in EU Hi all, Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC: The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation * Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing) Mike
Considering a full cabinet with 20kW in the US costs under $2k total I would say so. Aaron ------ Original Message ------
From "Tony Wicks" <tony@wicks.co.nz> To "'Aaron Wendel'" <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> Cc "'harbor235'" <harbor235@gmail.com>; "'NANOG list'" <nanog@nanog.org> Date 12/11/2024 1:08:37 PM Subject RE: COLO space in EU
Yea, looks like whoever did that quote does not really want the business and is pricing it as such
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Aaron Wendel Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2024 8:05 am To: harbor235 <harbor235@gmail.com>; NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: COLO space in EU
So they have a charge just to have the capacity present of 7000 euros/month and then .278 euros per KWh on top of that?
I wish I could get away with charging that.
Aaron
------ Original Message ------
From "harbor235" <harbor235@gmail.com>
To "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date 12/11/2024 12:45:52 PM
Subject COLO space in EU
Hi all,
Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation
· Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
Mike
Where are you seeing that kind of pricing? The utility cost would have to be sub $0.15/kWh to even pay the bill with 20kW, ignoring any cooling. Thanks, Riley C. O'Connor m32@m32.io // m32.io [Tel&Signal] 307.438.9253 [Social] LinkedIn | Twitter | GitHub [PGP] E017 B967 AC29 E321 On Wednesday, December 11th, 2024 at 12:40 PM, Aaron Wendel <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Considering a full cabinet with 20kW in the US costs under $2k total I would say so.
Aaron
------ Original Message ------ From "Tony Wicks" <tony@wicks.co.nz> To "'Aaron Wendel'" <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> Cc "'harbor235'" <harbor235@gmail.com>; "'NANOG list'" <nanog@nanog.org> Date 12/11/2024 1:08:37 PM Subject RE: COLO space in EU
Yea, looks like whoever did that quote does not really want the business and is pricing it as such
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Aaron Wendel Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2024 8:05 am To: harbor235 <harbor235@gmail.com>; NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: COLO space in EU
So they have a charge just to have the capacity present of 7000 euros/month and then .278 euros per KWh on top of that?
I wish I could get away with charging that.
Aaron
------ Original Message ------
From "harbor235" <harbor235@gmail.com>
To "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date 12/11/2024 12:45:52 PM
Subject COLO space in EU
Hi all,
Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation
· Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
Mike
I don't understand how people stay in business paying $0.15/kWh. That's crazy. ------ Original Message ------
From "Riley O" <m32+nanog@cubit.sh> To "Aaron Wendel" <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> Cc "Tony Wicks" <tony@wicks.co.nz>; "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org> Date 12/11/2024 3:22:27 PM Subject Re: Re[2]: COLO space in EU
Where are you seeing that kind of pricing? The utility cost would have to be sub $0.15/kWh to even pay the bill with 20kW, ignoring any cooling.
Thanks,
Riley C. O'Connor m32@m32.io // m32.io <https://m32.io/>
[Tel&Signal] 307.438.9253 [Social] LinkedIn <https://linkedin.com/in/m32> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/Not_m32> | GitHub <https://github.com/notm32> [PGP] E017 B967 AC29 E321
On Wednesday, December 11th, 2024 at 12:40 PM, Aaron Wendel <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Considering a full cabinet with 20kW in the US costs under $2k total I would say so.
Aaron
------ Original Message ------ From "Tony Wicks" <tony@wicks.co.nz> To "'Aaron Wendel'" <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> Cc "'harbor235'" <harbor235@gmail.com>; "'NANOG list'" <nanog@nanog.org> Date 12/11/2024 1:08:37 PM Subject RE: COLO space in EU
Yea, looks like whoever did that quote does not really want the business and is pricing it as such
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Aaron Wendel Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2024 8:05 am To: harbor235 <harbor235@gmail.com>; NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: COLO space in EU
So they have a charge just to have the capacity present of 7000 euros/month and then .278 euros per KWh on top of that?
I wish I could get away with charging that.
Aaron
------ Original Message ------
From "harbor235" <harbor235@gmail.com>
To "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date 12/11/2024 12:45:52 PM
Subject COLO space in EU
Hi all,
Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation
· Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
Mike
Hi Riley, I am not sure what you mean here, are you saying to make money off charging 0.278kWh the cost from the utility provider would need to be 0.15kWh? Are you saying the power rate is low? Mike On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 4:25 PM Riley O via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
Where are you seeing that kind of pricing? The utility cost would have to be sub $0.15/kWh to even pay the bill with 20kW, ignoring any cooling.
Thanks,
*Riley C. O'Connor* m32@m32.io *//* m32.io
*[*Tel&Signal*] *307.438.9253 *[*Social*] *LinkedIn <https://linkedin.com/in/m32> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/Not_m32> | GitHub <https://github.com/notm32> *[*PGP*] E017 B967 AC29 E321*
On Wednesday, December 11th, 2024 at 12:40 PM, Aaron Wendel < aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
Considering a full cabinet with 20kW in the US costs under $2k total I would say so.
Aaron
------ Original Message ------ From "Tony Wicks" <tony@wicks.co.nz> To "'Aaron Wendel'" <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net> Cc "'harbor235'" <harbor235@gmail.com>; "'NANOG list'" <nanog@nanog.org> Date 12/11/2024 1:08:37 PM Subject RE: COLO space in EU
Yea, looks like whoever did that quote does not really want the business and is pricing it as such
*From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+tony=wicks.co.nz@nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Aaron Wendel *Sent:* Thursday, 12 December 2024 8:05 am *To:* harbor235 <harbor235@gmail.com>; NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* Re: COLO space in EU
So they have a charge just to have the capacity present of 7000 euros/month and then .278 euros per KWh on top of that?
I wish I could get away with charging that.
Aaron
------ Original Message ------
From "harbor235" <harbor235@gmail.com>
To "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date 12/11/2024 12:45:52 PM
Subject COLO space in EU
Hi all,
Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation
· Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
Mike
Is there a reason why AMS (presumably the IXs)? You may find other NL DCs cheaper but still close enough to AMS for your needs. For example, in Rotterdam there has been more investment in the port's industrial grid infra, which may get you a cheaper rate for power. In any case, the rate you have been quoted seems high and you can definitely shop around. On Wednesday, 11 December 2024 at 19:45, harbor235 <harbor235@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation
·Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
Mike
.278€ per kWh is sort of a list price what they have to pay to the utility. On top of that they run 20kW cooling equipment and 20kW UPS. I have seen even higher prices in Frankfurt. Am 11.12.24 um 19:45 schrieb harbor235:
Hi all,
Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation____
·Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
Mike
nanog@nanog.org (Thomas Mieslinger via NANOG) wrote:
.278€ per kWh is sort of a list price what they have to pay to the utility. On top of that they run 20kW cooling equipment and 20kW UPS. I have seen even higher prices in Frankfurt.
Yeah, I believe Mike tries to compare with US (subsidized) energy prices, which won't work. (Btw, household energy prices are way higher.) NL is especially difficult b/c of the current grid weakness, hence the NRC for this extremely energy-heavy setup. El EL
Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation____
·Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
If I remember my company's latest Frankfurt contract, that was a few 100€ for the racks but 10s of thousands € yearly for the energy (~7kw per rack) To me, today, datacenter colo business is just reselling energy. Am 12.12.24 um 10:55 schrieb Elmar K. Bins:
nanog@nanog.org (Thomas Mieslinger via NANOG) wrote:
.278€ per kWh is sort of a list price what they have to pay to the utility. On top of that they run 20kW cooling equipment and 20kW UPS. I have seen even higher prices in Frankfurt.
Yeah, I believe Mike tries to compare with US (subsidized) energy prices, which won't work. (Btw, household energy prices are way higher.)
NL is especially difficult b/c of the current grid weakness, hence the NRC for this extremely energy-heavy setup.
El EL
Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pay for phase3 power busbar and busbar, power supply, and tap off? Total costs for adding 3 phase plus testing etc ..... 136.000 Euros for NRCs and the following MRC:
The Service Fee for a 20kW deployment would be €350/kW/month, so €7,000 per month in total based on a 36 month term and 3% annual indexation____
·Electricity consumption will be measured and invoiced monthly in arrears at €0.278 per kWh (2024 pricing)
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Aaron Wendel -
Elmar K. Bins -
harbor235 -
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Riley O -
Thomas Mieslinger -
Tony Wicks