What are the main difference between these two peering companies, exchanges, and overall operating model? The market in question would be Dallas Texas where Equinix already has the only established peering exchange with over 100 members, and DE-CIX just announced today that that would also be building one in Dallas. It will take time for DE-CIX to establish their exchange in Dallas and get members, but they better question is why would people switch? For a 10G port with a cross connect to the exchange included Equinix charges $1000 per month. According to DE-CIX it looks like they charge $1250 per month for a 10G port in NYC, so I asusme the same would be true in Dallas. https://nyc.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/ Looks like DE-CIX will offer a promo to entice new members to join, and their exchange will be in the carrier neatural meet me room operated by the infomart that will have little to no cross connect fees. Why would people pay more to connect to an exchange with less members? What is the european exchange that is a non-profit and basically only covers the cost of operating the exchange?
On 22/Jul/15 15:48, Colton Conor wrote:
Why would people pay more to connect to an exchange with less members? What is the european exchange that is a non-profit and basically only covers the cost of operating the exchange?
My knee-jerk response would be that the big EU exchange points are trading on their name - as being well-known, well-run exchange points - to get traction in markets outside of EU, that may or may not have established exchange points. Whether operators see value in that is an exercise left up to the reader. Mark.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What are the main difference between these two peering companies, exchanges, and overall operating model? The market in question would be Dallas Texas where Equinix already has the only established peering exchange with over 100 members, and DE-CIX just announced today that that would also be building one in Dallas. It will take time for DE-CIX to establish their exchange in Dallas and get members, but they better question is why would people switch?
In short, Equinix is by far and large a data center operator and the Internet exchange is an add-on service only available within their data center locations. DE-CIX is an exchange point operator who operates in multiple dis-parent data center locations.
For a 10G port with a cross connect to the exchange included Equinix charges $1000 per month. According to DE-CIX it looks like they charge $1250 per month for a 10G port in NYC, so I asusme the same would be true in Dallas. https://nyc.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/
I would not use DE-CIX NYC pricing as a benchmark. As DE-CIX learned, NYC is a very difficult market to get connectivity and to build an exchange in. As such their operating costs are a lot higher than in other markets and I don't believe it would be a good assumption to use NYC based pricing in Dallas. But keep in mind, DE-CIX likes to distribute their network access nodes to get a larger audience than within ones own facility. Also, I would suggest looking at the big picture and the cost of colocation services in a facility other than Equinix to "level the playing field".
Looks like DE-CIX will offer a promo to entice new members to join, and their exchange will be in the carrier neatural meet me room operated by the infomart that will have little to no cross connect fees.
Why would people pay more to connect to an exchange with less members? What is the european exchange that is a non-profit and basically only covers the cost of operating the exchange?
As stated above, when looking at the big picture, it may or may not be more expensive when all of your other services are considered. It should be said that I don't have any axe to grind and think very highly of Equinix. But with respect to Dallas, I would suggest looking at bigger picture and see if your assumptions still hold true. charles
As DE-CIX learned, NYC is a very difficult market to get connectivity and to build an exchange in. As such their operating costs are a lot higher than in other markets
circuits in the states are more painful than northern europe, japan, etc. a bunch of smaller isps in the states were annoyed at equinix's domination of the east coast markets so encouraged some european community exchanges to colonize. what they did not do was offer to subsidize any surprizes in expense, gaining a market foothold, etc. this is sometimes known as "let's you and him fight." randy
Agreed. It costs more to transport an IX to another location than the IX makes off of the port they sold you. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Bush" <randy@psg.com> To: "Charles Gucker" <cgucker@onesc.net> Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 10:49:29 AM Subject: Re: DE-CIX vs Equinix
As DE-CIX learned, NYC is a very difficult market to get connectivity and to build an exchange in. As such their operating costs are a lot higher than in other markets
circuits in the states are more painful than northern europe, japan, etc. a bunch of smaller isps in the states were annoyed at equinix's domination of the east coast markets so encouraged some european community exchanges to colonize. what they did not do was offer to subsidize any surprizes in expense, gaining a market foothold, etc. this is sometimes known as "let's you and him fight." randy
Charles, You mentioned to not use " DE-CIX NYC pricing as a benchmark" for Dallas, but it looks like DE-CIX has priced their Dallas ports, according to their website, at the same prices at NYC: https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/#c2374 PortSpeed/GbpsMRC1GE1US$ 57510GE10US$ 1,250100GE100On request Pricing table effective from 1 August 2015. There is a special offer: *Join us now and get your 1GE or 10GE port free of charge for* - *6 months* (minimum contract term of 12 months) or - *12 months* (minimum contract term of 36 months). https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/#c2374 So it seems that their 10G port price, after promo, is $1250, and it does not mention cross connect would be included. Compare this to Equinix's 10G port with a cross connect included at $1000 per month. Considering Equinix's cross connects are usually $350 per month, this means Equinix's actual 10G port really cost $650 per month. So, I will ask the question again, why are providers going to jump and use DE-CIX over Equinix's peering exchange? I am failing to see the benefit. I thought it would be price, but apparently not. On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Charles Gucker <cgucker@onesc.net> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What are the main difference between these two peering companies, exchanges, and overall operating model? The market in question would be Dallas Texas where Equinix already has the only established peering exchange with over 100 members, and DE-CIX just announced today that that would also be building one in Dallas. It will take time for DE-CIX to establish their exchange in Dallas and get members, but they better question is why would people switch?
In short, Equinix is by far and large a data center operator and the Internet exchange is an add-on service only available within their data center locations. DE-CIX is an exchange point operator who operates in multiple dis-parent data center locations.
For a 10G port with a cross connect to the exchange included Equinix charges $1000 per month. According to DE-CIX it looks like they charge $1250 per month for a 10G port in NYC, so I asusme the same would be true in Dallas. https://nyc.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/
I would not use DE-CIX NYC pricing as a benchmark. As DE-CIX learned, NYC is a very difficult market to get connectivity and to build an exchange in. As such their operating costs are a lot higher than in other markets and I don't believe it would be a good assumption to use NYC based pricing in Dallas. But keep in mind, DE-CIX likes to distribute their network access nodes to get a larger audience than within ones own facility.
Also, I would suggest looking at the big picture and the cost of colocation services in a facility other than Equinix to "level the playing field".
Looks like DE-CIX will offer a promo to entice new members to join, and their exchange will be in the carrier neatural meet me room operated by the infomart that will have little to no cross connect fees.
Why would people pay more to connect to an exchange with less members? What is the european exchange that is a non-profit and basically only covers the cost of operating the exchange?
As stated above, when looking at the big picture, it may or may not be more expensive when all of your other services are considered.
It should be said that I don't have any axe to grind and think very highly of Equinix. But with respect to Dallas, I would suggest looking at bigger picture and see if your assumptions still hold true.
charles
I'd expect that eventually DE-CIX will build into every Dallas datacenter as they have done in New York and Germany whereas Equinix is only available... in Equinix. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "Charles Gucker" <cgucker@onesc.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 8:36:20 AM Subject: Re: DE-CIX vs Equinix Charles, You mentioned to not use " DE-CIX NYC pricing as a benchmark" for Dallas, but it looks like DE-CIX has priced their Dallas ports, according to their website, at the same prices at NYC: https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/#c2374 PortSpeed/GbpsMRC1GE1US$ 57510GE10US$ 1,250100GE100On request Pricing table effective from 1 August 2015. There is a special offer: *Join us now and get your 1GE or 10GE port free of charge for* - *6 months* (minimum contract term of 12 months) or - *12 months* (minimum contract term of 36 months). https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/#c2374 So it seems that their 10G port price, after promo, is $1250, and it does not mention cross connect would be included. Compare this to Equinix's 10G port with a cross connect included at $1000 per month. Considering Equinix's cross connects are usually $350 per month, this means Equinix's actual 10G port really cost $650 per month. So, I will ask the question again, why are providers going to jump and use DE-CIX over Equinix's peering exchange? I am failing to see the benefit. I thought it would be price, but apparently not. On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Charles Gucker <cgucker@onesc.net> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
What are the main difference between these two peering companies, exchanges, and overall operating model? The market in question would be Dallas Texas where Equinix already has the only established peering exchange with over 100 members, and DE-CIX just announced today that that would also be building one in Dallas. It will take time for DE-CIX to establish their exchange in Dallas and get members, but they better question is why would people switch?
In short, Equinix is by far and large a data center operator and the Internet exchange is an add-on service only available within their data center locations. DE-CIX is an exchange point operator who operates in multiple dis-parent data center locations.
For a 10G port with a cross connect to the exchange included Equinix charges $1000 per month. According to DE-CIX it looks like they charge $1250 per month for a 10G port in NYC, so I asusme the same would be true in Dallas. https://nyc.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/
I would not use DE-CIX NYC pricing as a benchmark. As DE-CIX learned, NYC is a very difficult market to get connectivity and to build an exchange in. As such their operating costs are a lot higher than in other markets and I don't believe it would be a good assumption to use NYC based pricing in Dallas. But keep in mind, DE-CIX likes to distribute their network access nodes to get a larger audience than within ones own facility.
Also, I would suggest looking at the big picture and the cost of colocation services in a facility other than Equinix to "level the playing field".
Looks like DE-CIX will offer a promo to entice new members to join, and their exchange will be in the carrier neatural meet me room operated by the infomart that will have little to no cross connect fees.
Why would people pay more to connect to an exchange with less members? What is the european exchange that is a non-profit and basically only covers the cost of operating the exchange?
As stated above, when looking at the big picture, it may or may not be more expensive when all of your other services are considered.
It should be said that I don't have any axe to grind and think very highly of Equinix. But with respect to Dallas, I would suggest looking at bigger picture and see if your assumptions still hold true.
charles
Does DE-CIX usually go to market with at least some of the big content providers already on board? For example, will guys like Netflix, Google, and other CDN's more than likely be on the exchange starting day 1? How does DE-CIX work if you want to cross connect over the exchange to another provider in a different on-net datacenter of the exchange in the same metro market? On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
I'd expect that eventually DE-CIX will build into every Dallas datacenter as they have done in New York and Germany whereas Equinix is only available... in Equinix.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "Charles Gucker" <cgucker@onesc.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 8:36:20 AM Subject: Re: DE-CIX vs Equinix
Charles,
You mentioned to not use " DE-CIX NYC pricing as a benchmark" for Dallas, but it looks like DE-CIX has priced their Dallas ports, according to their website, at the same prices at NYC:
https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/#c2374
PortSpeed/GbpsMRC1GE1US$ 57510GE10US$ 1,250100GE100On request
Pricing table effective from 1 August 2015.
There is a special offer:
*Join us now and get your 1GE or 10GE port free of charge for*
- *6 months* (minimum contract term of 12 months) or - *12 months* (minimum contract term of 36 months).
https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/#c2374
So it seems that their 10G port price, after promo, is $1250, and it does not mention cross connect would be included. Compare this to Equinix's 10G port with a cross connect included at $1000 per month. Considering Equinix's cross connects are usually $350 per month, this means Equinix's actual 10G port really cost $650 per month.
So, I will ask the question again, why are providers going to jump and use DE-CIX over Equinix's peering exchange? I am failing to see the benefit. I thought it would be price, but apparently not.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Charles Gucker <cgucker@onesc.net> wrote:
What are the main difference between these two peering companies, exchanges, and overall operating model? The market in question would be Dallas Texas where Equinix already has the only established peering exchange with over 100 members, and DE-CIX just announced today that
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote: that
would also be building one in Dallas. It will take time for DE-CIX to establish their exchange in Dallas and get members, but they better question is why would people switch?
In short, Equinix is by far and large a data center operator and the Internet exchange is an add-on service only available within their data center locations. DE-CIX is an exchange point operator who operates in multiple dis-parent data center locations.
For a 10G port with a cross connect to the exchange included Equinix charges $1000 per month. According to DE-CIX it looks like they charge $1250 per month for a 10G port in NYC, so I asusme the same would be true in Dallas. https://nyc.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/
I would not use DE-CIX NYC pricing as a benchmark. As DE-CIX learned, NYC is a very difficult market to get connectivity and to build an exchange in. As such their operating costs are a lot higher than in other markets and I don't believe it would be a good assumption to use NYC based pricing in Dallas. But keep in mind, DE-CIX likes to distribute their network access nodes to get a larger audience than within ones own facility.
Also, I would suggest looking at the big picture and the cost of colocation services in a facility other than Equinix to "level the playing field".
Looks like DE-CIX will offer a promo to entice new members to join, and their exchange will be in the carrier neatural meet me room operated by the infomart that will have little to no cross connect fees.
Why would people pay more to connect to an exchange with less members? What is the european exchange that is a non-profit and basically only covers the cost of operating the exchange?
As stated above, when looking at the big picture, it may or may not be more expensive when all of your other services are considered.
It should be said that I don't have any axe to grind and think very highly of Equinix. But with respect to Dallas, I would suggest looking at bigger picture and see if your assumptions still hold true.
charles
Usually on a distributed exchange, everyone on the same fabric is available at the same standard price. Local datacenter or the furthest datacenter, same price. Look at what happened in NYC. I'd expect something similar in Dallas, though I have no inside information behind that. https://nyc.de-cix.net/news/news-archive/ ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 8:50:26 AM Subject: Re: DE-CIX vs Equinix Does DE-CIX usually go to market with at least some of the big content providers already on board? For example, will guys like Netflix, Google, and other CDN's more than likely be on the exchange starting day 1? How does DE-CIX work if you want to cross connect over the exchange to another provider in a different on-net datacenter of the exchange in the same metro market? On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: I'd expect that eventually DE-CIX will build into every Dallas datacenter as they have done in New York and Germany whereas Equinix is only available... in Equinix. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colton Conor" < colton.conor@gmail.com > To: "Charles Gucker" < cgucker@onesc.net > Cc: "NANOG" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 8:36:20 AM Subject: Re: DE-CIX vs Equinix Charles, You mentioned to not use " DE-CIX NYC pricing as a benchmark" for Dallas, but it looks like DE-CIX has priced their Dallas ports, according to their website, at the same prices at NYC: https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/#c2374 PortSpeed/GbpsMRC1GE1US$ 57510GE10US$ 1,250100GE100On request Pricing table effective from 1 August 2015. There is a special offer: *Join us now and get your 1GE or 10GE port free of charge for* - *6 months* (minimum contract term of 12 months) or - *12 months* (minimum contract term of 36 months). https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/#c2374 So it seems that their 10G port price, after promo, is $1250, and it does not mention cross connect would be included. Compare this to Equinix's 10G port with a cross connect included at $1000 per month. Considering Equinix's cross connects are usually $350 per month, this means Equinix's actual 10G port really cost $650 per month. So, I will ask the question again, why are providers going to jump and use DE-CIX over Equinix's peering exchange? I am failing to see the benefit. I thought it would be price, but apparently not. On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Charles Gucker < cgucker@onesc.net > wrote:
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Colton Conor < colton.conor@gmail.com > wrote:
What are the main difference between these two peering companies, exchanges, and overall operating model? The market in question would be Dallas Texas where Equinix already has the only established peering exchange with over 100 members, and DE-CIX just announced today that that would also be building one in Dallas. It will take time for DE-CIX to establish their exchange in Dallas and get members, but they better question is why would people switch?
In short, Equinix is by far and large a data center operator and the Internet exchange is an add-on service only available within their data center locations. DE-CIX is an exchange point operator who operates in multiple dis-parent data center locations.
For a 10G port with a cross connect to the exchange included Equinix charges $1000 per month. According to DE-CIX it looks like they charge $1250 per month for a 10G port in NYC, so I asusme the same would be true in Dallas. https://nyc.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/
I would not use DE-CIX NYC pricing as a benchmark. As DE-CIX learned, NYC is a very difficult market to get connectivity and to build an exchange in. As such their operating costs are a lot higher than in other markets and I don't believe it would be a good assumption to use NYC based pricing in Dallas. But keep in mind, DE-CIX likes to distribute their network access nodes to get a larger audience than within ones own facility.
Also, I would suggest looking at the big picture and the cost of colocation services in a facility other than Equinix to "level the playing field".
Looks like DE-CIX will offer a promo to entice new members to join, and their exchange will be in the carrier neatural meet me room operated by the infomart that will have little to no cross connect fees.
Why would people pay more to connect to an exchange with less members? What is the european exchange that is a non-profit and basically only covers the cost of operating the exchange?
As stated above, when looking at the big picture, it may or may not be more expensive when all of your other services are considered.
It should be said that I don't have any axe to grind and think very highly of Equinix. But with respect to Dallas, I would suggest looking at bigger picture and see if your assumptions still hold true.
charles
On 03 Aug 2015, at 15:50, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
How does DE-CIX work if you want to cross connect over the exchange to another provider in a different on-net datacenter of the exchange in the same metro market?
I’m not sure, but you may be looking for the GlobePEER service https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/globepeer/ This seems to be included in your port price. Regards, Marc
I would expect DE-CIX to repeat what they've done elsewhere and expand the IX into any reasonable building in the metro area, greatly increasing its available member count and bringing the IX to places where Equinix isn't. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colton Conor" <colton.conor@gmail.com> To: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:48:46 AM Subject: DE-CIX vs Equinix What are the main difference between these two peering companies, exchanges, and overall operating model? The market in question would be Dallas Texas where Equinix already has the only established peering exchange with over 100 members, and DE-CIX just announced today that that would also be building one in Dallas. It will take time for DE-CIX to establish their exchange in Dallas and get members, but they better question is why would people switch? For a 10G port with a cross connect to the exchange included Equinix charges $1000 per month. According to DE-CIX it looks like they charge $1250 per month for a 10G port in NYC, so I asusme the same would be true in Dallas. https://nyc.de-cix.net/products-services/pricing/ Looks like DE-CIX will offer a promo to entice new members to join, and their exchange will be in the carrier neatural meet me room operated by the infomart that will have little to no cross connect fees. Why would people pay more to connect to an exchange with less members? What is the european exchange that is a non-profit and basically only covers the cost of operating the exchange?
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