How many others are nullrouting BT?
We've long been aware that BT *never* deals with spammers or DoS attacks that originate from their network, but a new issue has come to light. BT has a number of users who are apparently testing out stolen credit card numbers from their network against stores of all flavors. 3 months of attempts by US banks, US police departments, FBI, etc to get any action taken on these issues has gone nowhere. BT is "protecting the interests of their users". Meanwhile the stolen credit card attempts continue unabated. We're considering null-routing all BT netblocks. I'm wondering how many others have already come to the same conclusion? -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation Support Phone: 408-400-0550
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Jo Rhett wrote:
We've long been aware that BT *never* deals with spammers or DoS attacks that originate from their network, but a new issue has come to light. BT has a number of users who are apparently testing out stolen credit card numbers from their network against stores of all flavors.
3 months of attempts by US banks, US police departments, FBI, etc to get any action taken on these issues has gone nowhere. BT is "protecting the interests of their users". Meanwhile the stolen credit card attempts continue unabated.
We're considering null-routing all BT netblocks. I'm wondering how many others have already come to the same conclusion?
To paraphrase bandy rush: "I encourage my competitors to do that". -alex
On Fri, 11 May 2007, Jo Rhett wrote:
We're considering null-routing all BT netblocks. I'm wondering how many others have already come to the same conclusion?
alex@pilosoft.com wrote:
To paraphrase bandy rush: "I encourage my competitors to do that".
Yeah, I know. This is exactly why no ISPs have abuse help desks that respond, and nobody can get even the most trivial problems solved. We do better. We answer *EVERY* abuse complaint. Which isn't much, because we do the job correctly. And we care about the reliability/usability of the 'Net as a whole. So when the 'Net becomes partitioned by economics and politics, re-read this letter and know that "I told you so". Know that being a smart-ass wasn't worth the effort. It's already going there, and everyone whines but very few of us are doing the job in a manner appropriate to actually solving problems. -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation
Jo, you are in the colo business, and not in the access business? You surely must also have millions of users, all with Windows on it and some horses and what not. Just a thought, with no opinion specifically. Alexander On Sat, 12 May 2007 09:06:58 -0700, Jo Rhett wrote:
We do better. We answer *EVERY* abuse complaint. Which isn't much, because we do the job correctly. And we care about the reliability/usability of the 'Net as a whole.
We are in the colo business. We start at half-cabinet and go upwards so it tends to be businesses with real sysadmins. That helps, since it means hundreds of businesses and not millions of users. But yes, our main concern is quickly isolating Windows/Linux systems which have been compromised and shut them down. We use a lot of tools to analyze traffic, and usually take the compromised machine offline before we get abuse reports. On May 13, 2007, at 3:00 AM, Alexander Koch wrote:
you are in the colo business, and not in the access business? You surely must also have millions of users, all with Windows on it and some horses and what not.
Just a thought, with no opinion specifically.
Alexander
On Sat, 12 May 2007 09:06:58 -0700, Jo Rhett wrote:
We do better. We answer *EVERY* abuse complaint. Which isn't much, because we do the job correctly. And we care about the reliability/usability of the 'Net as a whole.
-- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation Support Phone: 408-400-0550
Yeah, I know. This is exactly why no ISPs have abuse help desks that respond, and nobody can get even the most trivial problems solved.
Over generalization sucks and just proves to everyone else what an irrational individual you are.
We do better. We answer *EVERY* abuse complaint. Which isn't much, because we do the job correctly. And we care about the reliability/usability of the 'Net as a whole.
You do better because you are 1/10000th the size of a company like BT and you handle colo only.
So when the 'Net becomes partitioned by economics and politics, re-read this letter and know that "I told you so". Know that being a smart-ass wasn't worth the effort. It's already going there, and everyone whines but very few of us are doing the job in a manner appropriate to actually solving problems.
*Yawn* while you are at it please null route Charter, Comcast, Cox, Verizon, Att, etc. so the list doesn't have to see you send in another email with you spouting your superiority while making nonsense generalizations. Now if you are done acting like a child you should have seen that Michael Dillon is a member of this list and could have been used as a resource to handle this problem before you sent in this nonsense to the list. I hope in the future you think before you send so you don't come across as the child stamping his feet when he doesn't get the attention he wants. -Ross
Jo Rhett wrote:
We've long been aware that BT *never* deals with spammers or DoS attacks that originate from their network, but a new issue has come to light. BT has a number of users who are apparently testing out stolen credit card numbers from their network against stores of all flavors.
Which BT? There are several organisations within the BT Group...
3 months of attempts by US banks, US police departments, FBI, etc to get any action taken on these issues has gone nowhere. BT is "protecting the interests of their users". Meanwhile the stolen credit card attempts continue unabated.
We're considering null-routing all BT netblocks. I'm wondering how many others have already come to the same conclusion?
No something I would recommend to anyone that has any commercial sense. Serious suggestion, try http://www.ispa.org.uk/ they can probably get you into contact with the right person within BT J -- COO Entanet International T: 0870 770 9580 W: http://www.enta.net/ L: http://tinyurl.com/3bxqez
Irrelevant of the BT specifics...
Jo Rhett wrote:
We're considering null-routing all BT netblocks. I'm wondering how many others have already come to the same conclusion?
On May 14, 2007, at 3:30 AM, James Blessing wrote:
No something I would recommend to anyone that has any commercial sense.
In our particular market it wouldn't hurt us very badly, but ... This is a specific problem that I think affects us all, and it bothers me greatly that large organizations like BT are allowed to give the finger to everyone on this list because they don't have to worry about being nullrouted on a global basis. Knowing this, they are allowed to understaff and otherwise ignore their abuse help desks. Because their size allows them to not care. I'd love to find a way to change that equation. -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation Support Phone: 408-400-0550
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