At 3/13/2006 11:16 AM -0800, Bora Akyol wrote: "Any info on percentages of users that use routers vs Windows boxes? " Almost 100% of Careful Windows Users use routers. Almost 100% of Potential Victims connect directly. Now, you really meant to ask, what is the ratio of Victims to Careful. Too big, whatever it is. - James R. Cutler james.cutler@consultant.com
At 03:25 PM 3/13/2006, James R. Cutler wrote:
At 3/13/2006 11:16 AM -0800, Bora Akyol wrote:
"Any info on percentages of users that use routers vs Windows boxes? "
Almost 100% of Careful Windows Users use routers. Almost 100% of Potential Victims connect directly.
Now, you really meant to ask, what is the ratio of Victims to Careful. Too big, whatever it is.
That depends, maybe you mean Windows->NAT vs. Windows non NAT. I think there's implications in router, unless your assuming NAT. As well, pvlans are prone to fail if not a forethought of architecture instead of an after effect. Trying to put legacy networks into a pvlan architecture is like putting square pegs in round holes. My experience has been pvlans cause more trouble than they are worth. -M< -- Martin Hannigan (c) 617-388-2663 Renesys Corporation (w) 617-395-8574 Member of Technical Staff Network Operations hannigan@renesys.com
From: "Martin Hannigan" <hannigan@renesys.com>
As well, pvlans are prone to fail if not a forethought of architecture instead of an after effect. Trying to put legacy networks into a pvlan architecture is like putting square pegs in round holes.
My experience has been pvlans cause more trouble than they are worth.
Could you elaborate on this a bit? My situation is different, as I am a server hosting provider dealing with thousands of customer servers instead of thousands of customer residential WAN links (and thus, no PPPoE), but so far I've had good results with pvlans and local-proxy-arp. I've found it to be almost a drop-in replacement for large VLANs, solving 95% of the standard huge-l2-network issues with near-zero additional hassle. Perhaps my different situation avoids whatever issues you ran into. I'm just curious what sort of trouble you had just to make sure I avoid them myself. I've already migrated thousands of customer servers to this over the past few years, but I still have thousands to go. :)
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