Re: Charging fee for BGP prefix per /24?!
It is not the same thing though. In my case, they just say we want you to buy our IP, if you don't and want use you own Arin allocated IP blocks through bgp, then we got to charge you anyway! Because why couldn't they? On Wed, Dec 10, 2014, 00:21 Maximilian Baehring <maximilian@baehring.at> wrote:
Europe: It costs 50 euros yearly fee per PI-Space Resource without the anouncment ppayable via a LIR. They cahreg - in my case - additional 25 Euros for the financial transaction with Ripe. The cheapest possible anouncment is via TWO Route-Servers and the minimum required for this is a VPS (not openVZ which cannot run the routing daemon) Linux-KVM with Quagga! http://www.openpeering.nl/shoppinglist.shtml - http://www.ripe.net/lir- services/member-support/info/billing/billing-procedure-and- fee-schedule-2014
mit freundlichem Gru&SZlig; / Yours sincerely
Maximilian Baehring Hoelderlinstrasse 4 60316 Frankfurt a.M. Germany maximilian@baehring.at Fon: +49 (0)69 17320776 Fon: +49 (0)176 65605075 Fon: +49 (0)174 3639226 Fax: +49 (0)69 67831634
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-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+maximilian=baehring.at@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Yucong Sun Sent: Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2014 07:27 To: NANOG Subject: Charging fee for BGP prefix per /24?!
Hi,
My recent inquiry to some network provider reveals that they are charging fee for per /24 announced. Obvious that would means they get to charge a lot with little to none efforts on their side.
In a world we are charging total bytes transferred instead of bps on uplinks, i can't say I'm surprised that much. But does anyone else had same experience? Did you pay? Is this the new status quo now?
Thanks.
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Yucong Sun wrote:
It is not the same thing though. In my case, they just say we want you to buy our IP, if you don't and want use you own Arin allocated IP blocks through bgp, then we got to charge you anyway!
Are they charging per /24 (assuming IPv4 here...), or per prefix? If they are charging per /24, that seems like a great way to encourage customers to find another provider. If they are charging per prefix, that seems like an interesting way to encourage customers to make sure they aggregate their BGP advertisements as much as possible. jms
On 12/10/14 7:45 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Yucong Sun wrote:
It is not the same thing though. In my case, they just say we want you to buy our IP, if you don't and want use you own Arin allocated IP blocks through bgp, then we got to charge you anyway!
Are they charging per /24 (assuming IPv4 here...), or per prefix?
If they are charging per /24, that seems like a great way to encourage customers to find another provider.
If they are charging per prefix, that seems like an interesting way to encourage customers to make sure they aggregate their BGP advertisements as much as possible.
ISPs in my experience have a fee schedule supported by a model which allows them to recover their expenses plus a nominal profit. If the model doesn't work, in the long run that is a problem that solves itself. At the right scale I have productive leverage against the profit side of that number and also what line items the expenses are lodged against. below that I'm a retail customer and I pick from the best options available to me.
jms
On Dec 10, 2014, at 23:11 , joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 12/10/14 7:45 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Yucong Sun wrote:
It is not the same thing though. In my case, they just say we want you to buy our IP, if you don't and want use you own Arin allocated IP blocks through bgp, then we got to charge you anyway!
Are they charging per /24 (assuming IPv4 here...), or per prefix?
If they are charging per /24, that seems like a great way to encourage customers to find another provider.
If they are charging per prefix, that seems like an interesting way to encourage customers to make sure they aggregate their BGP advertisements as much as possible.
ISPs in my experience have a fee schedule supported by a model which allows them to recover their expenses plus a nominal profit. If the model doesn't work, in the long run that is a problem that solves itself. At the right scale I have productive leverage against the profit side of that number and also what line items the expenses are lodged against. below that I'm a retail customer and I pick from the best options available to me.
jms
To me this sounds like they are trying to encourage their customers to accept IP addresses from them in order to bolster their utilization for purposes of hoarding addresses. I would expect that they will later reverse these "incentives" to attempt to reclaim the space in order to avoid having to go to the transfer market for more space. I would consider such behavior highly unethical at best, but my sense of ethics may not be shared by all. I'm sure some of the Randians on this list will tell me that this is some proper and good way for the economy to work. Free market, blah blah. Owen
On 12/11/14 1:14 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Dec 10, 2014, at 23:11 , joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> wrote:
On 12/10/14 7:45 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Yucong Sun wrote:
It is not the same thing though. In my case, they just say we want you to buy our IP, if you don't and want use you own Arin allocated IP blocks through bgp, then we got to charge you anyway! Are they charging per /24 (assuming IPv4 here...), or per prefix?
If they are charging per /24, that seems like a great way to encourage customers to find another provider.
If they are charging per prefix, that seems like an interesting way to encourage customers to make sure they aggregate their BGP advertisements as much as possible.
ISPs in my experience have a fee schedule supported by a model which allows them to recover their expenses plus a nominal profit. If the model doesn't work, in the long run that is a problem that solves itself. At the right scale I have productive leverage against the profit side of that number and also what line items the expenses are lodged against. below that I'm a retail customer and I pick from the best options available to me.
jms
To me this sounds like they are trying to encourage their customers to accept IP addresses from them in order to bolster their utilization for purposes of hoarding addresses. I would expect that they will later reverse these "incentives" to attempt to reclaim the space in order to avoid having to go to the transfer market for more space.
I would consider such behavior highly unethical at best, but my sense of ethics may not be shared by all. I'm sure some of the Randians on this list will tell me that this is some proper and good way for the economy to work. Free market, blah blah.
I think it's a really good idea to not engage in business with people whose behavior strikes you as bad.
Owen
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