Looking to see if anyone on the list knows anything about the 4IXP “virtual IXP” - https://www.4ixp.com/ ? Specifically - is it a dead project ? I reached out to a few email addresses for them and never got any replies. My next step is to look at https://bgp.exchange/. I don’t think they are the same ? (but their sites and services look very similar at a quick glance) Thanks for any info.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 11:43 AM vom513 via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Looking to see if anyone on the list knows anything about the 4IXP “virtual IXP” - https://www.4ixp.com/ ? Specifically - is it a dead project ? I reached out to a few email addresses for them and never got any replies.
My next step is to look at https://bgp.exchange/. I don’t think they are the same ? (but their sites and services look very similar at a quick glance)
Howdy, Would you clarify what you're looking for? Are you looking for BGP Internet access service delivered via VPN? Or are you looking for reciprocal peering (IXP service) delivered by VPN? I don't quite understand the use case for the latter. The main point of peering is to avoid sending data over your paid transit. For the former, I can give you some pointers. Regards, Bill Herrin -- For hire. https://bill.herrin.us/resume/
On Apr 29, 2026, at 3:00 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 11:43 AM vom513 via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Looking to see if anyone on the list knows anything about the 4IXP “virtual IXP” - https://www.4ixp.com/ ? Specifically - is it a dead project ? I reached out to a few email addresses for them and never got any replies.
My next step is to look at https://bgp.exchange/. I don’t think they are the same ? (but their sites and services look very similar at a quick glance)
Howdy,
Would you clarify what you're looking for? Are you looking for BGP Internet access service delivered via VPN? Or are you looking for reciprocal peering (IXP service) delivered by VPN?
I don't quite understand the use case for the latter. The main point of peering is to avoid sending data over your paid transit.
For the former, I can give you some pointers.
Thanks for the reply Bill. (Also LOVE Gmail spam filter (guess where I found your reply…)) I am what you would call a “basement multihomer”. So as the kids say nowadays - “homelab” (on steroids). To answer your question - IXP presence delivered via VPN. I don’t have the $$$ for physical presence at the moment. More pointedly - bgp.exchange seems to be working. I have my tunnel up to them and am peering. Just waiting for IRR changes to get picked up for all the announcements to properly flow. And to partially answer my own question - I think 4IXP and BGPE are different orgs. Based on the dead air I got - I would say 4IXP is a dead project at the moment.
Off list so I don't pester people there: On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 1:47 PM vom513 via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
I am what you would call a “basement multihomer”. So as the kids say nowadays - “homelab” (on steroids). To answer your question - IXP presence delivered via VPN. I don’t have the $$$ for physical presence at the moment.
My garage is multihomed on the Internet (AS11875) using two local non-BGP service providers and virtual wires out to two BGP service providers. If that's what you're looking for, I can help. IXPs are generally for sharing partial BGP feeds with other networks -- you send traffic that's specifically to their customers to them directly. That's the exchange part of IXP. You don't get a full BGP feed or a default route at an IXP; you only get the routes for the other participants. Hence my confusion about what a virtual wire to an IXP accomplishes for your home lab, since you would need and presumably already have a full BGP feed from somewhere else to cover the routes you don't receive at the IXP. Some IXPs also sell or trade full Internet Transit service on the side, but that's different from the IXP part. Regards, Bill -- For hire. https://bill.herrin.us/resume/
Hi, If you are looking for the experience of setting up multihoming and BGP but not actually using multihoming and not using BGP for its intended purpose, might I suggest joining the DN42 project instead of filling up the real internet's routing tables with useless junk data? There is a reason that you are supposed to need to be multihoming to get an ASN assigned to you. Regards. On 29 April 2026 22:47:51 CEST, vom513 via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
On Apr 29, 2026, at 3:00 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 11:43 AM vom513 via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Looking to see if anyone on the list knows anything about the 4IXP “virtual IXP” - https://www.4ixp.com/ ? Specifically - is it a dead project ? I reached out to a few email addresses for them and never got any replies.
My next step is to look at https://bgp.exchange/. I don’t think they are the same ? (but their sites and services look very similar at a quick glance)
Howdy,
Would you clarify what you're looking for? Are you looking for BGP Internet access service delivered via VPN? Or are you looking for reciprocal peering (IXP service) delivered by VPN?
I don't quite understand the use case for the latter. The main point of peering is to avoid sending data over your paid transit.
For the former, I can give you some pointers.
Thanks for the reply Bill. (Also LOVE Gmail spam filter (guess where I found your reply…))
I am what you would call a “basement multihomer”. So as the kids say nowadays - “homelab” (on steroids). To answer your question - IXP presence delivered via VPN. I don’t have the $$$ for physical presence at the moment.
More pointedly - bgp.exchange seems to be working. I have my tunnel up to them and am peering. Just waiting for IRR changes to get picked up for all the announcements to properly flow.
And to partially answer my own question - I think 4IXP and BGPE are different orgs. Based on the dead air I got - I would say 4IXP is a dead project at the moment. _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/2IS4WN3Z...
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