Measuring the quality of Internet access
Hi All, I know there are many people from many countries. Do you know something about mandatory measurements of Internet access quality from country telecom regulators? If yes, could you please share that information with me? I found ETSI EG 202 057-4 standard (http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_eg/202000_202099/20205704/01.02.01_60/eg_20...), but in fact it is about measurements inside operator's network, not Internet access itself. Is it possible in general to measure the quality of Internet access? And if yes - how?
CIRA (.CA) started a project one or two years ago: https://cira.ca/build-better-internet/cira-internet-performance-test CRTC (Canadian equivalent of the FCC) also conducted tests by sending test boxes to volunteers: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/internet/performance.htm and https://www.measuringbroadbandcanada.com Eric -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev Sent: June 13, 2016 3:12 PM To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Measuring the quality of Internet access Hi All, I know there are many people from many countries. Do you know something about mandatory measurements of Internet access quality from country telecom regulators? If yes, could you please share that information with me? I found ETSI EG 202 057-4 standard (http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_eg/202000_202099/20205704/01.02.01_60/eg_20...), but in fact it is about measurements inside operator's network, not Internet access itself. Is it possible in general to measure the quality of Internet access? And if yes - how?
Thank you! I got one more reply off-list - and again it is connected to SamKnows. But I can't figure out what SamKnows uses as the destination for tests? On 13.06.16 23:04, Eric Dugas wrote:
CIRA (.CA) started a project one or two years ago: https://cira.ca/build-better-internet/cira-internet-performance-test
CRTC (Canadian equivalent of the FCC) also conducted tests by sending test boxes to volunteers: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/internet/performance.htm and https://www.measuringbroadbandcanada.com
Eric
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev Sent: June 13, 2016 3:12 PM To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Measuring the quality of Internet access
Hi All,
I know there are many people from many countries.
Do you know something about mandatory measurements of Internet access quality from country telecom regulators? If yes, could you please share that information with me?
I found ETSI EG 202 057-4 standard (http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_eg/202000_202099/20205704/01.02.01_60/eg_20...), but in fact it is about measurements inside operator's network, not Internet access itself.
Is it possible in general to measure the quality of Internet access? And if yes - how?
Would be M-lab (https://www.measurementlab.net/about/) what you are looking for? .as On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 at 13:20 Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> wrote:
Thank you!
I got one more reply off-list - and again it is connected to SamKnows.
But I can't figure out what SamKnows uses as the destination for tests?
CIRA (.CA) started a project one or two years ago: https://cira.ca/build-better-internet/cira-internet-performance-test
CRTC (Canadian equivalent of the FCC) also conducted tests by sending test boxes to volunteers: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/internet/performance.htm and https://www.measuringbroadbandcanada.com
Eric
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev Sent: June 13, 2016 3:12 PM To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Measuring the quality of Internet access
Hi All,
I know there are many people from many countries.
Do you know something about mandatory measurements of Internet access quality from country telecom regulators? If yes, could you please share
On 13.06.16 23:04, Eric Dugas wrote: that information with me?
I found ETSI EG 202 057-4 standard (
http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_eg/202000_202099/20205704/01.02.01_60/eg_20... ),
but in fact it is about measurements inside operator's network, not Internet access itself.
Is it possible in general to measure the quality of Internet access? And if yes - how?
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> wrote:
But I can't figure out what SamKnows uses as the destination for tests?
As I understand the destination differs per measurement partnership, but in at least the United States a substantial portion of the infrastructure is provided by Measurement Lab, as a virtualized host within the broader set of tools that the platform supports. M-Lab also provides resources to a number of other quality of service and experience measurement tools, such as NDT, BISmark and Neubot. CIRA's initiative, noted earlier, also uses M-Lab and NDT, as do a few regulators in Europe and elsewhere. Please always feel free to reach out, we are always eager to collaborate with network operators to use our tools and extend our platform – everything is open source and open access. Cordially, Collin -- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C.
All results will be very depend of target choise, as we can understand. So that's the main point. On 13.06.16 23:58, Collin Anderson wrote:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua <mailto:maxtul@netassist.ua>> wrote:
But I can't figure out what SamKnows uses as the destination for tests?
As I understand the destination differs per measurement partnership, but in at least the United States a substantial portion of the infrastructure is provided by Measurement Lab, as a virtualized host within the broader set of tools that the platform supports.
M-Lab also provides resources to a number of other quality of service and experience measurement tools, such as NDT, BISmark and Neubot. CIRA's initiative, noted earlier, also uses M-Lab and NDT, as do a few regulators in Europe and elsewhere.
Please always feel free to reach out, we are always eager to collaborate with network operators to use our tools and extend our platform – everything is open source and open access.
Cordially, Collin -- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com <http://averysmallbird.com> | @cda | Washington, D.C.
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 22:11:47 +0300, Max Tulyev said:
Is it possible in general to measure the quality of Internet access? And if yes - how?
First, *define* "quality". Raw bandwidth to a test server? Raw bandwidth to a weighted average of the Alexa Top 100? Does RTT/bufferbloat count? What about RTT jitter?
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 04:38:52PM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 22:11:47 +0300, Max Tulyev said:
Is it possible in general to measure the quality of Internet access? And if yes - how?
First, *define* "quality". Raw bandwidth to a test server? Raw bandwidth to a weighted average of the Alexa Top 100? Does RTT/bufferbloat count? What about RTT jitter?
...not to mention the definition of "Internet". Aside from well-known filters, see also https://ripe72.ripe.net/presentations/6-2016-05-23-connectivity.pdf and https://ripe72.ripe.net/archives/video/241/ Cheers, Joe -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / CotSG / Usenix / NANOG
Well, that was MY question! =) What who where (goverment/regulators) define as the quality? On 13.06.16 23:38, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 22:11:47 +0300, Max Tulyev said:
Is it possible in general to measure the quality of Internet access? And if yes - how?
First, *define* "quality". Raw bandwidth to a test server? Raw bandwidth to a weighted average of the Alexa Top 100? Does RTT/bufferbloat count? What about RTT jitter?
Are you aware of https://atlas.ripe.net/ ? --- Enviado do um dispositivo com teclado reduzido. Sent from a device with a diminished keyboard. No dia 13/06/2016, às 20:11, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> escreveu:
Hi All,
I know there are many people from many countries.
Do you know something about mandatory measurements of Internet access quality from country telecom regulators? If yes, could you please share that information with me?
I found ETSI EG 202 057-4 standard (http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_eg/202000_202099/20205704/01.02.01_60/eg_20...), but in fact it is about measurements inside operator's network, not Internet access itself.
Is it possible in general to measure the quality of Internet access? And if yes - how?
Sure, even host some ;) But my question about govermental initiatives/regulations about it, if any. On 13.06.16 23:51, Marco Teixeira wrote:
Are you aware of https://atlas.ripe.net/ ?
--- Enviado do um dispositivo com teclado reduzido. Sent from a device with a diminished keyboard.
No dia 13/06/2016, às 20:11, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua <mailto:maxtul@netassist.ua>> escreveu:
Hi All,
I know there are many people from many countries.
Do you know something about mandatory measurements of Internet access quality from country telecom regulators? If yes, could you please share that information with me?
I found ETSI EG 202 057-4 standard (http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_eg/202000_202099/20205704/01.02.01_60/eg_20...), but in fact it is about measurements inside operator's network, not Internet access itself.
Is it possible in general to measure the quality of Internet access? And if yes - how?
On 06/13/2016 09:11 PM, Max Tulyev wrote:
Hi All,
I know there are many people from many countries.
Do you know something about mandatory measurements of Internet access quality from country telecom regulators? If yes, could you please share that information with me?
austria does something like this: https://www.rtr.at/en/tk/netztesthilfe includes a lot of information and even sourcecode on the measurement apps... Stefan
Hi, On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:11:47PM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote:
Hi All,
I know there are many people from many countries.
Do you know something about mandatory measurements of Internet access quality from country telecom regulators? If yes, could you please share that information with me?
ARCEP, the telecom regulatory body from France, publishes regular reports on the quality of Internet access: http://arcep.fr/index.php?id=8571&L=1&tx_gsactualite_pi1[uid]=1847 The methodology is described in the PDF (unfortunately, only available in French, it seems). See also: http://arcep.fr/index.php?id=11894&L=1
I found ETSI EG 202 057-4 standard (http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_eg/202000_202099/20205704/01.02.01_60/eg_20...), but in fact it is about measurements inside operator's network, not Internet access itself.
Is it possible in general to measure the quality of Internet access? And if yes - how?
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