Re: UUNET Pulling Peering Agreements & replacing them with charging under non-disclosure?
At 02:32 AM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
Oh hell. I was just explaining to my boss last week how none of these NSPs trust each other and so that's why all these packets have to cross the country twice to get 20 miles down the road etc etc and now if UUNET is pulling peers then he's _really_ going to have my head.
Several questions:
1 - What is the point of the NDA? Is the NDA precedented?
2 - Are they pulling CIX peering? (Can that rtr get any more overloaded? :)
Last I heard, when the CIX moves locations, AGIS, MCI, UUNET, and Sprint will all be leaving the CIX.
3 - One of my upstream providers claims that Sprint pulled peering abruptly on them this morning without any warning and is now charging them $X (where X is a large number) to peer. Has this happened to anyone else, is it a Sprint policy to always charge for new peers, etc?
Thanks,
-Tung-Hui Hu hhui@arcfour.com
Well, this is the way its going to be. Can anyone really be that surprised? I've been watching this trend for over a year now. From a small network standpoint, it sux. I work for a small network now, and now I have to budget financing to talk to these other networks. But for the big boys, they are loosing money. They have to put up huge amounts of bandwidth at the exchanges, so people can transverse their network free of charge. In a business sense, where is the cost justification here? Well Gordo, I know you hate anything AGIS, but they saw this coming a mile away and acted on it. I guess we know now why the big boys never complained about the AGIS peering policy, because in the back of their minds, they thought it was a good idea. Markl Mark E Larson Senior Network Architect RUSTnet Inc. ----------------------------------------------- R U S T N E T I N C. A member of the Verio Group 1-800-691-5080 http://www.rust.net -----------------------------------------------
On Fri, 2 May 1997, Mark E Larson wrote:
At 02:32 AM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
3 - One of my upstream providers claims that Sprint pulled peering abruptly on them this morning without any warning and is now charging them $X (where X is a large number) to peer. Has this happened to anyone else, is it a Sprint policy to always charge for new peers, etc?
Thanks,
-Tung-Hui Hu hhui@arcfour.com
But for the big boys, they are loosing money. They have to put up huge amounts of bandwidth at the exchanges, so people can transverse their network free of charge. In a business sense, where is the cost justification here?
Mark E Larson Senior Network Architect RUSTnet Inc.
Isn't this the point of paying the UUnet, MCI, RUSTnet NSP for transit? Each network has been paid by it's customer to carry data, in or out of their network if need be. If a end user that happens to have choosen connectivity other than UUnet wants to view the web pages of one of my clients, I've already paid UUnet to carry that traffic, but now UUnet wants more from the peer to let that traffic pass to their network. Sounds like being paid twice to carry the same packets. I have logged a complaint with UUnet about this and have stated my pending order for a DS3 from them will be reconcidered if they make the choice to peer for a fee. I was also called by a UUnet exec this morning and they say there will be a statement coming on Monday. ============================================================== Tim Flavin Internet Access for St Louis & Chicago Internet 1st, Inc Toll Free Sales & Support 800-875-3173 http://www.i1.net For more information email info@i1.net ==============================================================
I have logged a complaint with UUnet about this and have stated my pending order for a DS3 from them will be reconcidered if they make the choice to peer for a fee. I was also called by a UUnet exec this morning and they say there will be a statement coming on Monday.
I'd like to see them try this stunt over the LINX! If one must pay to peer with Uunet then one is not a peer any longer. Neil. -- Neil J. McRae - Alive and Kicking. D O M I N O neil@DOMINO.ORG NetBSD/sparc - 100% SpF (Solaris protection Factor) Free the daemon in your <A HREF="http://www.NetBSD.ORG/">Computer!</A>
Tim Flavin wrote:
If a end user that happens to have choosen connectivity other than UUnet wants to view the web pages of one of my clients, I've already paid UUnet to carry that traffic, but now UUnet wants more from the peer to let that traffic pass to their network. Sounds like being paid twice to carry the same packets.
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