Anybody out there have any experience with 10 gigabit ethernet? I'm looking for switches and routers that actually exist (heh, as opposed to the kind found in marketing literature). I've heard extreme is shipping 10 gige stuff. Any news when cisco or juniper will have something? +------------------- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C -------------------+ | Mike Leber Direct Internet Connections Voice 510 580 4100 | | Hurricane Electric Web Hosting Colocation Fax 510 580 4151 | | mleber@he.net http://www.he.net | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Mike Leber wrote:
Anybody out there have any experience with 10 gigabit ethernet?
I'm looking for switches and routers that actually exist (heh, as opposed to the kind found in marketing literature). I've heard extreme is shipping 10 gige stuff. Any news when cisco or juniper will have something?
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I don't think the 10GEA has standarized the draft. It is slated for mid 2002. But some vendors might have non-standard implementations, but I am not aware of it. Most of the stuff available at the 10Gbps rate is OC-192 and has nothing to do with 10Gbps Ethernet... vinay
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Vinay Bannai wrote:
Anybody out there have any experience with 10 gigabit ethernet?
I don't think the 10GEA has standarized the draft. It is slated for mid 2002. But some vendors might have non-standard implementations, but I am not aware of it.
Here is an article that states that IntelliSpace and others are already using 10 Gigabit Ethernet equipment provided by Extreme Networks. It is skimpy on the details. http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO54671,00.html I'm trolling to see if anybody in the nanog crowd was willing or able (NDAs and all) to tell us about any 10 gige equipment they might be using. +------------------- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C -------------------+ | Mike Leber Direct Internet Connections Voice 510 580 4100 | | Hurricane Electric Web Hosting Colocation Fax 510 580 4151 | | mleber@he.net http://www.he.net | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
IEEE standards web page at http://grouper.ieee.org is quite helpful for finding the status of the various standards. In particular, check http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/ae/public/mar01/minutes_0301.pdf for the minutes of the last IEEE 802.3ae Working Group meeting. Target for completion is 1Q 2002. At this point, much of the work has been completed, I believe that all of the outstanding issues were resolved at the meeting and they have gone to working group ballot (don't ask me about all the details of the IEEE decision making process, but they are online). So at least things are close enough that chip sets are being developed and equipment vendors can get underway with confidence that there won't be too much change, such that standards compliant products should be available about in the same timeframe that the standard is completed. dave At 04:14 PM 5/9/01 -0700, Mike Leber wrote:
Anybody out there have any experience with 10 gigabit ethernet?
I don't think the 10GEA has standarized the draft. It is slated for mid
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Vinay Bannai wrote: 2002.
But some vendors might have non-standard implementations, but I am not aware of it.
Here is an article that states that IntelliSpace and others are already using 10 Gigabit Ethernet equipment provided by Extreme Networks. It is skimpy on the details.
http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO54671,00.html
I'm trolling to see if anybody in the nanog crowd was willing or able (NDAs and all) to tell us about any 10 gige equipment they might be using.
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On Wed, 9 May 2001, Vinay Bannai wrote:
I don't think the 10GEA has standarized the draft. It is slated for mid 2002. But some vendors might have non-standard implementations, but I am not aware of it.
Most of the stuff available at the 10Gbps rate is OC-192 and has nothing to do with 10Gbps Ethernet...
Anyone know any good articles on 10GB ethernet? I am specifically intrested if they have removed some of the legacy requirements that hamper gigabit ethernet (such as a default MTU of 1500, half-duplex, etc.)
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Greg Maxwell wrote:
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Vinay Bannai wrote:
I don't think the 10GEA has standarized the draft. It is slated for mid 2002. But some vendors might have non-standard implementations, but I am not aware of it.
Most of the stuff available at the 10Gbps rate is OC-192 and has nothing to do with 10Gbps Ethernet...
Anyone know any good articles on 10GB ethernet? I am specifically intrested if they have removed some of the legacy requirements that hamper gigabit ethernet (such as a default MTU of 1500, half-duplex, etc.)
Half-duplex? The last time I checked, my GigE equipment didn't default to half-duplex. --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
On Thu, 10 May 2001, John Fraizer wrote:
Anyone know any good articles on 10GB ethernet? I am specifically intrested if they have removed some of the legacy requirements that hamper gigabit ethernet (such as a default MTU of 1500, half-duplex, etc.)
Half-duplex? The last time I checked, my GigE equipment didn't default to half-duplex.
No I wouldn't expect it to, nor did I state anything about defaulting to half. There is no purpose for half-duplex in GIGE, even the few GIGE hubs I've seen are buffered and user congestion control to allow full duplex operation. The possibility of half-duplex mode just adds unneeded cruft and additional failure modes.
But the ability for half-duplex operation was a requirment in the spec, for reasons not a whole lot of people can fathom...I have yet to see anyone actually USING half-duplex GigE, however. FastE, sure (I have a dumb FastE hub sitting right here on my desk), but never GigE. -C On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:09:57AM -0400, John Fraizer wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Greg Maxwell wrote:
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Vinay Bannai wrote:
I don't think the 10GEA has standarized the draft. It is slated for mid 2002. But some vendors might have non-standard implementations, but I am not aware of it.
Most of the stuff available at the 10Gbps rate is OC-192 and has nothing to do with 10Gbps Ethernet...
Anyone know any good articles on 10GB ethernet? I am specifically intrested if they have removed some of the legacy requirements that hamper gigabit ethernet (such as a default MTU of 1500, half-duplex, etc.)
Half-duplex? The last time I checked, my GigE equipment didn't default to half-duplex.
--- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc
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