It looks like 24*1Gb + 2*10Gb switches will be showing up soon: http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?site=lightreading&doc_id=43109 http://www.sandburst.com/Releases/AcctonPartners.pdf Sandburst and Accton are offering a white-box/OEM 24 port switch with two 10Gb uplinks... "The resulting system could sell for around $20,000, Sandburst officials say." Certainly not as cheap as a 2950 with two Gb ports, but this is the start of an entirely new generation of edge switches. Does anyone want to hazard a guess as how long it will be before 24+10Gb switches are selling for $1,500? 3 years?
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
It looks like 24*1Gb + 2*10Gb switches will be showing up soon:
Yes, Q1-Q2 2004 you'll see this from quite a lot of vendors I predict. If you don't need a lot of features (L2 and L3 switching only) I bet you'll see them for less than $10k during 2004, hopefully including optics in that price. That's the price point where 10GE really starts to take off. Considering the advances in highspeed DSL in the last/first mile, if we want to take advantage of that we need 10GE in the distribution layer and we need 40GE or 100GE in the core, and this is not so far off. I am actually worried about the price point of highspeed datacom in the next few years, after the inflated marget in 2001 where everybody built, prices have dropped at the customer level but a lot of the gear is still the same price. OC192 cards for the GSR is still the same price as in 2001, but you might get more features. Has the OC48 card dropped in price at all? Is the core really keeping up? We have cheap highspeed metro but can we do the same in the long haul? -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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I am actually worried about the price point of highspeed datacom in the next few years, after the inflated marget in 2001 where everybody built, prices have dropped at the customer level but a lot of the gear is still the same price. OC192 cards for the GSR is still the same price as in 2001, but you might get more features. Has the OC48 card dropped in price at all?
Is the core really keeping up? We have cheap highspeed metro but can we do the same in the long haul?
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
It looks like 24*1Gb + 2*10Gb switches will be showing up soon:
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?site=lightreading&doc_id=43109
http://www.sandburst.com/Releases/AcctonPartners.pdf
Sandburst and Accton are offering a white-box/OEM 24 port switch with two 10Gb uplinks... "The resulting system could sell for around $20,000, Sandburst officials say."
Certainly not as cheap as a 2950 with two Gb ports, but this is the start of an entirely new generation of edge switches. Does anyone want to hazard a guess as how long it will be before 24+10Gb switches are selling for $1,500? 3 years?
accton sells 24port 1000t managed switches for around $2200. If they can reduce the cost by half every year the 10GB model will cost as much as the 1gb model does now in about three years... the real question for me is what are 850nm and 1310/1550nm xenpaks going to cost in three years. we pays around $350 for sfp lx gbics and around $150 for sx, but the effects of commodization haven't quite set in on xenpacks yet,
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Certainly not as cheap as a 2950 with two Gb ports, but this is the start of an entirely new generation of edge switches. Does anyone want to hazard a guess as how long it will be before 24+10Gb switches are selling for $1,500? 3 years?
Certainly we'll never see them at that level from "Company C". I don't think they have ever sold anything of substance for $1500. Heck, they still list the 2511 at around $3700 if you want 16/16 memory in it.
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Robert A. Hayden wrote:
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Certainly not as cheap as a 2950 with two Gb ports, but this is the start of an entirely new generation of edge switches. Does anyone want to hazard a guess as how long it will be before 24+10Gb switches are selling for $1,500? 3 years?
Certainly we'll never see them at that level from "Company C". I don't think they have ever sold anything of substance for $1500. Heck, they still list the 2511 at around $3700 if you want 16/16 memory in it.
linksys 4 port wireless ap, router, printer server, and 10gbe switch? ;) joelja -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Jaeggli Unix Consulting joelja@darkwing.uoregon.edu GPG Key Fingerprint: 5C6E 0104 BAF0 40B0 5BD3 C38B F000 35AB B67F 56B2
Certainly we'll never see them at that level from "Company C". I don't think they have ever sold anything of substance for $1500. Heck, they still list the 2511 at around $3700 if you want 16/16 memory in it.
Never say "never"... Here's a brand new WS-C2950 for $1108. Why would the new 24*Gb + 10Gb uplink switches not be similarly priced in 3 or 4 years? It's possible the manufacturing of XENPAK optics is an order of magnitude more difficult... but I think there will be adequate competition in the marketplace soon enough. http://www.lanblvd.com/productpage.cfm?prodid=796
Eric Kuhnke wrote:
It looks like 24*1Gb + 2*10Gb switches will be showing up soon:
Certainly not as cheap as a 2950 with two Gb ports, but this is the start of an entirely new generation of edge switches. Does anyone want to hazard a guess as how long it will be before 24+10Gb switches are selling for $1,500?
Well, for now we have: WS-C2970G-24TS-E Catalyst 2970 24 10/100/1000T + 4 SFP, Enhanced Image currently listed at USD 5,495.00. That's 24Gb + *4* Gb uplinks. Not quite 10Gb, but close. The 3750Gs are layer 3 for a few grand more. Jeff
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