Streaming Bandwidth Requirements..
Dear NANOG members, Hoping that some members working at Google/YouTube might be part of this group, I respectfully suggest adding or noting the following to YouTube's bandwidth requirements page [1]: * *8K (H.264):* 110 Mbps * *8K (H.265):* 60 Mbps [1] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/78358?hl=en *References and Standards:* * *ITU-T H.265 (HEVC) Standard:* High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC) significantly reduces bit rate requirements compared to H.264 while maintaining the same video quality. (Source <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding>) * *Bitrate Requirements for 8K Video:* o A study on *8K 120Hz HEVC/H.265 encoding* indicates that the required bit rate ranges from *85–110 Mbps*. (Source <https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/apsipa-transactions-on-signal-and-information-processing/article/video-bitrate-requirements-for-8k-120hz-hevch265-temporal-scalable-coding-experimental-study-based-on-8k-subjective-evaluations/ED85B79ECC1EC55D74B1EB4FB7F39B46>) o *H.264 encoding* generally requires higher bit rates for high resolutions, and an estimated bit rate for 8K content is around *110 Mbps*. o *H.265 (HEVC) encoding* allows for more efficient compression, reducing the required bitrate for *8K content to approximately 60 Mbps* while maintaining similar video quality. *Conclusion:* To improve the accuracy of YouTube's bandwidth requirement documentation, I propose updating the page with recommended bitrates for *8K (H.264) and 8K (H.265) video formats*. This would provide more precise information to users regarding bandwidth needs for high-resolution content delivery. Best Regards and wishes, Sincerely, Mr. Volkan SALiH +90 540 415 55 55 +90 540 489 99 99
*Subject:* Request for Deployment of Google/YouTube Global Cache Servers in Türkiye *To Whom It May Concern,* I am a government officer and a colleague of Mr. Ahmet Hamdi Atalay (ahatalay@turksat.com.tr), who serves at Türksat. Currently, internet users in Türkiye experience *Google/YouTube speeds limited to approximately 15-20 Mbps*, which is significantly lower than the global standards. As Türksat personnel and civil servants committed to improving national digital infrastructure, we strongly advocate for increasing these speeds to *100-1000 Mbps levels*. *Rationale for Deployment:* Türksat has *direct connectivity with the three largest network operators in Türkiye (Türk Telekom, Vodafone TR, and Turkcell)*. Given this strategic position, we kindly request the *installation of Google/YouTube Global Cache (GGC) servers at Türksat’s network locations in Istanbul, Izmir, and Ankara*. * *Hardware and software* will be provided by Google/YouTube team/management. * *Bandwidth (IP transit)* and DECIX ISTANBUL / GIBIRIX ports /circuits will be fully covered by Türksat. We believe this collaboration will provide *substantial benefits* to both parties and the broader Turkish internet ecosystem. *Legal and Regulatory Basis* 1. *Consumer Protection Laws & Internet Rights:* * Article 57 of the *Turkish Constitution* guarantees the *right to access quality and affordable public services*, which includes internet connectivity. * According to the *Turkish Electronic Communications Law No. 5809*, service providers must ensure high-speed, uninterrupted internet access for end users. * The *EU's Open Internet Regulation (Regulation 2015/2120)* emphasizes network optimization to prevent congestion and improve consumer experience. 2. *Precedents and Global Best Practices:* * Many *IXPs (Internet Exchange Points) in Europe and North America* already host Google/YouTube caches, drastically improving performance and reducing latency. * Regulatory bodies such as the *FCC (Federal Communications Commission - USA)* and *BEREC (Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communications - EU)* support infrastructure improvements that enhance consumer digital experience. *Economic and Technical Benefits for Google* * *Cost Savings on IP Transit Fees:* o By deploying GGC servers within Türksat’s network, *Google will significantly reduce its IP transit expenses* for traffic originating from Türkiye. o Similar deployments in other regions have led to *over 40% reduction in IP transit costs* for content delivery networks. * *Lower Latency, Higher User Engagement:* o Hosting YouTube content locally will *reduce buffering times and improve video streaming quality*, leading to increased *watch time, ad impressions, and user satisfaction*. o Google’s experience in *Indonesia, Brazil, and India* has demonstrated that local caching improves performance metrics while boosting overall revenue from digital advertising. * *Regulatory and Competitive Advantages:* o Establishing cache servers in Türkiye will align *Google’s services with local digital transformation goals*, strengthening its market position against competitors. o This initiative supports *Google’s commitments to net neutrality and fair internet access*, reinforcing its positive relationship with regulators. For further discussion and technical coordination, please direct correspondence to *peering@turksat.com.tr* with a CC to *Mr. Atalay*. We appreciate your attention to this request and look forward to a productive collaboration. *Best regards,*
This mailing list is not the appropriate avenue for such requests. No idea why you would think it was. Google lays out their process here : https://support.google.com/interconnect/answer/9058809?hl=en On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 6:33 PM Volkan SALiH <volkan.salih.06@gmail.com> wrote:
*Subject:* Request for Deployment of Google/YouTube Global Cache Servers in Türkiye
*To Whom It May Concern,*
I am a government officer and a colleague of Mr. Ahmet Hamdi Atalay ( ahatalay@turksat.com.tr), who serves at Türksat.
Currently, internet users in Türkiye experience *Google/YouTube speeds limited to approximately 15-20 Mbps*, which is significantly lower than the global standards. As Türksat personnel and civil servants committed to improving national digital infrastructure, we strongly advocate for increasing these speeds to *100-1000 Mbps levels*.
*Rationale for Deployment:*
Türksat has *direct connectivity with the three largest network operators in Türkiye (Türk Telekom, Vodafone TR, and Turkcell)*. Given this strategic position, we kindly request the *installation of Google/YouTube Global Cache (GGC) servers at Türksat’s network locations in Istanbul, Izmir, and Ankara*.
- *Hardware and software* will be provided by Google/YouTube team/management. - *Bandwidth (IP transit)* and DECIX ISTANBUL / GIBIRIX ports /circuits will be fully covered by Türksat.
We believe this collaboration will provide *substantial benefits* to both parties and the broader Turkish internet ecosystem. *Legal and Regulatory Basis*
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*Consumer Protection Laws & Internet Rights:* - Article 57 of the *Turkish Constitution* guarantees the *right to access quality and affordable public services*, which includes internet connectivity. - According to the *Turkish Electronic Communications Law No. 5809*, service providers must ensure high-speed, uninterrupted internet access for end users. - The *EU's Open Internet Regulation (Regulation 2015/2120)* emphasizes network optimization to prevent congestion and improve consumer experience. 2.
*Precedents and Global Best Practices:* - Many *IXPs (Internet Exchange Points) in Europe and North America* already host Google/YouTube caches, drastically improving performance and reducing latency. - Regulatory bodies such as the *FCC (Federal Communications Commission - USA)* and *BEREC (Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communications - EU)* support infrastructure improvements that enhance consumer digital experience.
*Economic and Technical Benefits for Google*
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*Cost Savings on IP Transit Fees:* - By deploying GGC servers within Türksat’s network, *Google will significantly reduce its IP transit expenses* for traffic originating from Türkiye. - Similar deployments in other regions have led to *over 40% reduction in IP transit costs* for content delivery networks. -
*Lower Latency, Higher User Engagement:* - Hosting YouTube content locally will *reduce buffering times and improve video streaming quality*, leading to increased *watch time, ad impressions, and user satisfaction*. - Google’s experience in *Indonesia, Brazil, and India* has demonstrated that local caching improves performance metrics while boosting overall revenue from digital advertising. -
*Regulatory and Competitive Advantages:* - Establishing cache servers in Türkiye will align *Google’s services with local digital transformation goals*, strengthening its market position against competitors. - This initiative supports *Google’s commitments to net neutrality and fair internet access*, reinforcing its positive relationship with regulators.
For further discussion and technical coordination, please direct correspondence to *peering@turksat.com.tr* with a CC to *Mr. Atalay*.
We appreciate your attention to this request and look forward to a productive collaboration.
*Best regards,*
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