Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!!
Mr. Black: That is not precisely true. How do you KNOW that the STUDY gives no details, when you can't have possibly SEEN the study YET. You don't think my logic is flawed. You don't know but snippets of what the logic IS. You don't like what you see of a summary sliver of the results from a PRESS RELEASE. Jack Rickard ----------
From: Ben Black <black@zen.cypher.net> To: Jack Rickard <jack.rickard@boardwatch.com> Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Date: Friday, June 27, 1997 3:53 PM
the "study" gives no details on the systems used, where they were, who provided net connectivity...far from scientific. the sort of thing one would expect from marketeers.
and just because overall system performance affects web downloads, does that mean web downloads can be used to accurately and meaningfully measure overall system performance? i think your logic is flawed.
the net is not a big BBS, in case you haven't heard.
On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Jack Rickard wrote:
I'm not a marketing droid. But only a moron would think that overall performance would NOT affect the download of a web page, which is essentially what you are attempting to say.
There are certainly other ways to do it. Approximately Internet User Population raised to Internet User Population worth.
Jack RIckard
=================================================================== Jack Rickard Boardwatch Magazine Editor/Publisher 8500 West Bowles Ave., Ste. 210 jack.rickard@boardwatch.com Littleton, CO 80123 www.boardwatch.com Voice: (303)973-6038 ===================================================================
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From: Ben Black <black@zen.cypher.net> To: Craig A. Huegen <c-huegen@quadrunner.com> Cc: Jack Rickard <jack.rickard@boardwatch.com>; Peter Cole <Peter.Cole@telescan.com>; nanog@merit.edu; marketing@keynote.com Subject: Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Date: Friday, June 27, 1997 2:28 PM
for an exmple of somewhat more complete and better designed benchmarks of
this type:
http://www.inversenet.com/about/backgrounder.html#2
note that they understand the numerous factors that contribute to overall
performance. only a marketing droid could think downloading 50k worth of
web pages is somehow an indicator of overall performance.
b3n
i see, so i am to understand you wish us to simply *trust* that your results are valid based on vague references to your methodology? hey everyone, i have just completed a study that indicates in some circumstances a 28.8 modem is faster than a DS-3! no details at this time, but i swear it is all true! On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Jack Rickard wrote:
Mr. Black:
That is not precisely true. How do you KNOW that the STUDY gives no details, when you can't have possibly SEEN the study YET. You don't think my logic is flawed. You don't know but snippets of what the logic IS. You don't like what you see of a summary sliver of the results from a PRESS RELEASE.
Jack Rickard
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From: Ben Black <black@zen.cypher.net> To: Jack Rickard <jack.rickard@boardwatch.com> Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Date: Friday, June 27, 1997 3:53 PM
the "study" gives no details on the systems used, where they were, who provided net connectivity...far from scientific. the sort of thing one would expect from marketeers.
and just because overall system performance affects web downloads, does that mean web downloads can be used to accurately and meaningfully measure overall system performance? i think your logic is flawed.
the net is not a big BBS, in case you haven't heard.
On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Jack Rickard wrote:
I'm not a marketing droid. But only a moron would think that overall performance would NOT affect the download of a web page, which is essentially what you are attempting to say.
There are certainly other ways to do it. Approximately Internet User Population raised to Internet User Population worth.
Jack RIckard
=================================================================== Jack Rickard Boardwatch Magazine Editor/Publisher 8500 West Bowles Ave., Ste. 210 jack.rickard@boardwatch.com Littleton, CO 80123 www.boardwatch.com Voice: (303)973-6038 ===================================================================
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From: Ben Black <black@zen.cypher.net> To: Craig A. Huegen <c-huegen@quadrunner.com> Cc: Jack Rickard <jack.rickard@boardwatch.com>; Peter Cole <Peter.Cole@telescan.com>; nanog@merit.edu; marketing@keynote.com Subject: Re: Keynote/Boardwatch Internet Backbone Index A better test!!! Date: Friday, June 27, 1997 2:28 PM
for an exmple of somewhat more complete and better designed benchmarks of
this type:
http://www.inversenet.com/about/backgrounder.html#2
note that they understand the numerous factors that contribute to overall
performance. only a marketing droid could think downloading 50k worth of
web pages is somehow an indicator of overall performance.
b3n
At 9:00 PM -0400 6/27/97, Ben Black wrote:
i see, so i am to understand you wish us to simply *trust* that your results are valid based on vague references to your methodology?
hey everyone, i have just completed a study that indicates in some circumstances a 28.8 modem is faster than a DS-3! no details at this time, but i swear it is all true!
This isn't as silly as you think. At the February NANOG, Van Jacobsen showed the results of some research in which they discovered some situations where web pages could be retrieved over a 28.8k modem link faster than over a workstation connected to Ethernet, connected to a T1 line. Just remember, that TCP flows are not water flows and aggregated TCP flows in a big pipe do not behave at all like aggregated water flows in a big pipe. ******************************************************** Michael Dillon voice: +1-415-482-2840 Senior Systems Architect fax: +1-415-482-2844 PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net "The People You Know. The People You Trust." ********************************************************
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