Re: Stop Wcom and SPRINT from merging... customer service nightmare... (Snyder article)

The papers for my ISP connection to UUnet was signed just over 3 Months ago and they haven't installed the circuit. Customer Service !!!!!!!!TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! You Want to know whats really surprising ; i asked them to BGP peer authentication TWO WEEKS AGO and there reply was i am the first out of the thousands of clients that they have to ask for this. I thought when i asked two weeks ago the i was one of the last people to ask for this. Then they claim that it might be some kind of overhead. Then they were claiming that they might change their routing infrastructure with different vendors' routers. Routers are Routers and Switches are Switches. I don't know about you guys but BGP authentication and BGP4 has pretty much been a standard for the last 4-5 years. I need to ask the nanog group in general; i'm not sure if this question is more obvious than not but do normal people out there for example BIG Brokerage firms have route Authentication for BGP Peering or is this a new thing? I'm not sure where to stand on this... Mufti Nayeem Ahmed Network Systems Engineer Market Data Networks Reuters America Inc. (212)-603-3595 Ehud Gavron <GAVRON@ACES.COM> on 06/27/2000 10:42:01 AM To: nanog@merit.edu cc: GAVRON@ACES.COM (bcc: Mufti Ahmed/NYC/US/Reuters) Subject: Stop Wcom and SPRINT from merging... customer service nightmare... (Snyder article) http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2000/0626snyder.html : ---------------------------------------------------------------- MCIWorldCom should finish what's already on its plateBy Bottom Line . Joel Snyder Network World, 06/26/00MCIWorldCom is continuing to push hard for its merger with Sprint, now offering to dispose of one of the Internet's unappreciated jewels, Sprint's Internet business. All this is in the name of competition, since WorldCom would presumably control more or less all the packets, phone calls and fiber optics in the world if no one was watching. I have one request to make of the regulators in Brussels and Washington: Please, please, please, don't let WorldCom and Sprint merge. My plea has nothing to do with competition; it has everything to do with customer service. In his insatiable quest to beat Bill Gates and Larry Ellison to become the richest technodude in North America, WorldCom CEO Bernie Ebbers has forgotten those poor people who actually made him rich -the customers. Since the megamonolithic-monstrosity of WorldCom was created, service has gone to hell. Nothing can be done in real time; nobody is empowered to solve problems. Oh, and prices have gone up. Way up. All WorldCom has brought to the table is an enormous cadre of obsequious customer service reps ("I'm terribly sorry you had to hold, sir"), manning the phones 24 hours a day, who don't seem to be able to do anything. As a customer of the new, improved, WorldCom, my company hasn't seen the benefits of consolidation. One bill for all services? That would be OK if the bill were correct. But when WorldCom acquired Brooks Fiber in 1998, errors were made in moving the billing data from one system to another. We've been complaining about it for 20 months, and WorldCom still hasn't figured it out. One contact for sales? Sounds great, but the benefits escape us. Line installs and deinstalls now have to move through the WorldCom bureaucracy, and a six-month delay to do anything is average. One company for all your needs? That would be wonderful if it were really one company. In March we ordered a circuit from UUNET, WorldCom's Internet service provider division, and had every expectation that it would be installed within 30 days. The official UUNET service-level agreement (SLA) is 40 business days. We're still waiting for that line to be installed - they blew the SLA a long time ago. Meanwhile, the UUNET techs are trying to figure out a way to make the combined fiber networks of UUNET, MCI, MFS and WorldCom stretch from Tucson to Phoenix. Sprint customers, beware! Inside WorldCom there are pockets of excellence, people who know their stuff and make the network run. But the bureaucratic monstrosity smothering them makes WorldCom a darn hard company to do business with. Will things get better? Perhaps. WorldCom certainly can't continue to do business this way. As long-term contracts begin to end, customers will search for other suppliers. The end result, today, is that WorldCom hasn't been able to completely merge the companies it already has. And now it's hungry for more? Someone should tell Bernie Ebbers he can't have dessert until he finishes his peas. Snyder, a Network World Test Alliance partner, is a senior partner at Opus One in Tucson, Ariz. He can be reached at Joel.Snyder@opus1.com. Copyright 2000 Network World, Inc. 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On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Mufti Ahmed wrote:
The papers for my ISP connection to UUnet was signed just over 3 Months ago and they haven't installed the circuit. Customer Service !!!!!!!!TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know, I imagine a scene something like this in the halls of UUNET. Scenario One: <Wavy lines> pan back Enter UUNET lackey-1, stage left. Enter UUNET lackey-2, stage right. Lackey-1: What ho! What ho! Lackey-2: Alack, thou noticest that Mufti put in a circuit order three months ago? Lackey-1: Indeed it is so. Lackey-2: Since we have nothing better to do, AND since we obviously do not need the 3 months of revenue from Mufti, and since we are so evil, lets just sit on Muftis circuit for a YEAR and a day so as to piss Mufti off even more. Lackey-1: So it is said, so it is done. Exit Lackeys, stage left. OR ALTERNATIVELY, how about this scenario two instead? UUNET: we've got the circuit on order but due to various telco issues, perhaps including new ring builds, we cannot get Mufti up and running. Damn, it is costing us money in SLA and lost revenue, and it is annoying customers and driving down our metrics for customer satisfaction. I'm personally going with Occams Razor myself here.
You Want to know whats really surprising ; i asked them to BGP peer authentication TWO WEEKS AGO and there reply was i am the first out of the thousands of clients that they have to ask for this. I thought when i asked two weeks ago the i was one of the last people to ask for this. Then they claim that it might be some kind of overhead. Then
No, you are one of the very few people to ask for BGP peer authentication, ever, that I know of. I might have missed someone and there may be tens of thousands of other ISP's setting up BGP peer authentication on a regular basis. There are several people running BGP peer authentication, but claiming it is widespread from 4-5 years ago is WRONG.
they were claiming that they might change their routing infrastructure with different vendors' routers. Routers are Routers and Switches are Switches.
That is true. Routers are indeed routers and switches are by damn, switches. And let the Routers route and the switches switch and where was I again?
I don't know about you guys but BGP authentication and BGP4 has pretty much been a standard for the last 4-5 years.
I need to ask the nanog group in general; i'm not sure if this question is more obvious than not but do normal people out there for example BIG Brokerage firms have route Authentication for BGP Peering or is this a new thing? I'm not sure where to stand on this...
Wearing my old hat as a BIG brokerage IT person, there was no such thing as BGP peering authentication and route authentication a couple of years ago. All our vital trading systems stuff went over our own private leased lines with encryption engines in the routers. The internet component was used mostly for the web sites and email. /vijay
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