Re: Common Carrier Question
Google it. And you're naive to you think its just VoIP anymore. The whole, nasty, underlying issue with 'network inequity' is that it is a bubble in its truest sense -- some infrastructure simply will not support tens of thousands, etc. unicast streams, AND also support traditional 'best effort' traffic. It's the old 'ten pounds of shite in a five pound bag' dilemma. Somethings gotta give ($) or something's gotta go ($) -- or be degraded somehow. Warnings on this were sounded ten (or more) years ago. :-) - ferg ps. Funny that -- the complexities of things these days vs. traditional recurring telco revenue streams. ;-) -- Alain Hebert <ahebert@pubnix.net> wrote: Eric Germann wrote:
Except when an ISP blocks Vonage completely, then they aren't neutral and it is QoS (unless the QoS == 0 for VoIP)
We (or its just me) might be curious about which ISP did that. [snip] -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg@netzero.net or fergdawg@sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
AS16604 works fine, AS 22663 does not. I've picked at this for several hours this AM - looks very much like 22663's serial interface, 144.232.250.20/30, is blackholed somewhere inside Sprint. I got a tech who is trying to help, but he is the guy who got stuck with Easter Sunday ... anyone else awake at Sprint? These machines can't telnet to each other. Protocol capture and varying the telnet source interface on the AS 22663 machine shows 144.232.250.22 can send but receives no return traffic, while the loopback IP is accessible. Inside AS 16604 interface Hssi3/0 description DS3 to Sprint PL#:431846 ip address 160.81.75.58 255.255.255.252 ip route 144.232.250.20 255.255.255.252 160.81.76.57 Inside AS 22663 interface Serial5/1/0 description 45076451-T, Prominic.net, Inc. (SL-PROMI-1) bandwidth 44210 ip address 144.232.250.22 255.255.255.252 interface Loopback 0 ip addresss 198.68.3.254 255.255.255.255 ip route 160.81.75.56 255.255.255.252 144.232.250.21 -- mailto:Neal@Layer3Arts.com // IM:layer3arts voice: 402 408 5951 cell : 402 301 9555 fax : 402 408 6902
I remember getting a note from sprint when I was a sprint customer a few years back that said they were going to stop routing to the /30s for point-to-point customer links, unless requested to keep routing in place for that /30. Hopes this helps. -Justin On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, neal rauhauser wrote:
AS16604 works fine, AS 22663 does not. I've picked at this for several hours this AM - looks very much like 22663's serial interface, 144.232.250.20/30, is blackholed somewhere inside Sprint. I got a tech who is trying to help, but he is the guy who got stuck with Easter Sunday ... anyone else awake at Sprint?
These machines can't telnet to each other. Protocol capture and varying the telnet source interface on the AS 22663 machine shows 144.232.250.22 can send but receives no return traffic, while the loopback IP is accessible.
Inside AS 16604
interface Hssi3/0 description DS3 to Sprint PL#:431846 ip address 160.81.75.58 255.255.255.252 ip route 144.232.250.20 255.255.255.252 160.81.76.57
Inside AS 22663
interface Serial5/1/0 description 45076451-T, Prominic.net, Inc. (SL-PROMI-1) bandwidth 44210 ip address 144.232.250.22 255.255.255.252
interface Loopback 0 ip addresss 198.68.3.254 255.255.255.255
ip route 160.81.75.56 255.255.255.252 144.232.250.21
I suspected as much myself with regard to not routing customer serial links, but I've turned up half a dozen Sprint peering sessions in the last six years and I've never seen one act the way this one does. Maybe its something I'm doing ... I'm going to take the kids to the park and not think about this for a while. Thanks for the response. Justin Kreger wrote:
I remember getting a note from sprint when I was a sprint customer a few years back that said they were going to stop routing to the /30s for point-to-point customer links, unless requested to keep routing in place for that /30.
Hopes this helps.
-Justin
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, neal rauhauser wrote:
AS16604 works fine, AS 22663 does not. I've picked at this for several hours this AM - looks very much like 22663's serial interface, 144.232.250.20/30, is blackholed somewhere inside Sprint. I got a tech who is trying to help, but he is the guy who got stuck with Easter Sunday ... anyone else awake at Sprint?
These machines can't telnet to each other. Protocol capture and varying the telnet source interface on the AS 22663 machine shows 144.232.250.22 can send but receives no return traffic, while the loopback IP is accessible.
Inside AS 16604
interface Hssi3/0 description DS3 to Sprint PL#:431846 ip address 160.81.75.58 255.255.255.252 ip route 144.232.250.20 255.255.255.252 160.81.76.57
Inside AS 22663
interface Serial5/1/0 description 45076451-T, Prominic.net, Inc. (SL-PROMI-1) bandwidth 44210 ip address 144.232.250.22 255.255.255.252
interface Loopback 0 ip addresss 198.68.3.254 255.255.255.255
ip route 160.81.75.56 255.255.255.252 144.232.250.21
-- mailto:Neal@Layer3Arts.com // IM:layer3arts voice: 402 408 5951 cell : 402 301 9555 fax : 402 408 6902
Is this a new config ? Is below a copy and paste from the router or a retype ? Maybe I way off base but with a quick review there appears to be a typo -
interface Hssi3/0 description DS3 to Sprint PL#:431846 ip address 160.81.75.58 255.255.255.252 ip route 144.232.250.20 255.255.255.252 160.81.76.57
Shouldn't the route point to 75.57 and not 76.57 ? Eric
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