Re: Consumer-grade dual-homed connectivity options?
--- paul.w.bennett@gmail.com wrote: From: "Paul Bennett" <paul.w.bennett@gmail.com> At home, I currently run two DSL lines. Right now, we just have two separate LANs, one connected to each line, with my wife's devices attached to one, and my devices attached to the other. For a while now, I've been thinking about setting up a load-balancing routing solution to give both of us access to both lines. --------------------------------------------------- Maybe www.xincom.com/products.php will work? scott
You would need at least one router for this. Personally I would connect both DSL modems into a small Cisco router or multi-layer switch. Use that router as the default gateways for each LAN and have two static routes as the default gateway on the router to specify each DSL line. This would allow for load balancing each connection. Although, you run into the issue of needing PAT on both lines. This wouldn't be complex, but would need to be handled by the router as well. I am not sure about asymmetric paths though. Depending on the device, it may handle this differently, and there is no guarantee that the source of your traffic will be from the same connection all the time to the destination. This would cause connectivity issues. There really is no elegant solution to that without having a full routing table of the Internet and 2 separate providers. Others on this list may have a solution to that issue off the top of their heads, or have done this themselves. On 1/2/10 5:48 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- paul.w.bennett@gmail.com wrote: From: "Paul Bennett" <paul.w.bennett@gmail.com>
At home, I currently run two DSL lines. Right now, we just have two separate LANs, one connected to each line, with my wife's devices attached to one, and my devices attached to the other. For a while now, I've been thinking about setting up a load-balancing routing solution to give both of us access to both lines. ---------------------------------------------------
Maybe www.xincom.com/products.php will work?
scott
-- Steve King Network Engineer - Liquid Web, Inc. Cisco Certified Network Associate CompTIA Linux+ Certified Professional CompTIA A+ Certified Professional
Most of the SOHO router vendors (Netgear, Linksys, etc) have a model targeted at this application. When this class of "dual homed" router first came out several years ago, they were notoriously unreliable, but I would hope they work better by now. A search on the term "ping based routing" should give you insight into the current state of affairs, although it will probably take some work because there is no standard terminology to describe the facility, and most implementations no longer rely on "ping" to do the job of detecting link status. A few limitations to keep in mind: 1 - These routers are targeted at home users, are cheap, and you don't get what you don't pay for. 2 - The job can be done using "real" routers (Cisco, Juniper, etc), but setup requires work and getting a solution that actually works can be tricky. 3 - Be wary of any advice that you get from anyone who has not actually done it on the box in question! There are many ways a solution which should work will fail miserably. For example, when I looked at this problem a few years ago for a client, the SOHO routers tended to lock up and require a power cycle every few days while Cisco IOS routers would not clear the NAT table when a link failed soft and tended to stop testing a link once it failed, requiring manual recovery. Good luck and have fun! -- Vincent C Jones Networking Unlimited, Inc. www.networkingunlimited.com On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 18:14 -0500, Steven King wrote:
You would need at least one router for this.
Personally I would connect both DSL modems into a small Cisco router or multi-layer switch. Use that router as the default gateways for each LAN and have two static routes as the default gateway on the router to specify each DSL line. This would allow for load balancing each connection.
Although, you run into the issue of needing PAT on both lines. This wouldn't be complex, but would need to be handled by the router as well.
I am not sure about asymmetric paths though. Depending on the device, it may handle this differently, and there is no guarantee that the source of your traffic will be from the same connection all the time to the destination. This would cause connectivity issues. There really is no elegant solution to that without having a full routing table of the Internet and 2 separate providers. Others on this list may have a solution to that issue off the top of their heads, or have done this themselves.
On 1/2/10 5:48 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- paul.w.bennett@gmail.com wrote: From: "Paul Bennett" <paul.w.bennett@gmail.com>
At home, I currently run two DSL lines. Right now, we just have two separate LANs, one connected to each line, with my wife's devices attached to one, and my devices attached to the other. For a while now, I've been thinking about setting up a load-balancing routing solution to give both of us access to both lines. ---------------------------------------------------
Maybe www.xincom.com/products.php will work?
scott
The SonicWALL firewall appliances have had decent multi-port NAT functionality for a long time. In the most recent software revision for the latest generation of appliances, they've extended this beyond 2 upstreams. The smaller units in the line also can use various 3G wireless cards and USB dongles to either load balance or do failover. Models range from SOHO-sized to large enterprise. I've used them myself for years, and installed them for clients. They are reliable and straightforward to configure. And yes, for full disclosure, I've been certified on their gear for a long time, and do resell it (also resell several other brands of networking gear). Dan On Jan 4, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Vincent C Jones wrote:
Most of the SOHO router vendors (Netgear, Linksys, etc) have a model targeted at this application. When this class of "dual homed" router first came out several years ago, they were notoriously unreliable, but I would hope they work better by now. A search on the term "ping based routing" should give you insight into the current state of affairs, although it will probably take some work because there is no standard terminology to describe the facility, and most implementations no longer rely on "ping" to do the job of detecting link status.
A few limitations to keep in mind:
1 - These routers are targeted at home users, are cheap, and you don't get what you don't pay for.
2 - The job can be done using "real" routers (Cisco, Juniper, etc), but setup requires work and getting a solution that actually works can be tricky.
3 - Be wary of any advice that you get from anyone who has not actually done it on the box in question! There are many ways a solution which should work will fail miserably. For example, when I looked at this problem a few years ago for a client, the SOHO routers tended to lock up and require a power cycle every few days while Cisco IOS routers would not clear the NAT table when a link failed soft and tended to stop testing a link once it failed, requiring manual recovery.
Good luck and have fun! -- Vincent C Jones Networking Unlimited, Inc. www.networkingunlimited.com
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 18:14 -0500, Steven King wrote:
You would need at least one router for this.
Personally I would connect both DSL modems into a small Cisco router or multi-layer switch. Use that router as the default gateways for each LAN and have two static routes as the default gateway on the router to specify each DSL line. This would allow for load balancing each connection.
Although, you run into the issue of needing PAT on both lines. This wouldn't be complex, but would need to be handled by the router as well.
I am not sure about asymmetric paths though. Depending on the device, it may handle this differently, and there is no guarantee that the source of your traffic will be from the same connection all the time to the destination. This would cause connectivity issues. There really is no elegant solution to that without having a full routing table of the Internet and 2 separate providers. Others on this list may have a solution to that issue off the top of their heads, or have done this themselves.
On 1/2/10 5:48 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- paul.w.bennett@gmail.com wrote: From: "Paul Bennett" <paul.w.bennett@gmail.com>
At home, I currently run two DSL lines. Right now, we just have two separate LANs, one connected to each line, with my wife's devices attached to one, and my devices attached to the other. For a while now, I've been thinking about setting up a load-balancing routing solution to give both of us access to both lines. ---------------------------------------------------
Maybe www.xincom.com/products.php will work?
scott
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