All share the same hassles to some extent or another. They have to be run, UNDER LOAD, an hour+ per month. They need the oil changed. They need clean fuel; #2 Diesel tends to grow weird bugs that clog the filters. The propane and natural gas can feed modified gasoline piston engines and turbines. Some Diesels run on a fix of #2 and gases. [The ultimate example -- a sewage plant will recover sewer gas and use it w/Diesel. If your userbase is full of BS; or your tie curls and your boss has 2 horns, you might go this route...] Natural gas has advantages of no storage hassles; propane does not go stale.
In earthquake country, natural gas is as prone to interruption as any other utility. The utility companies actually have shut off valves in the lines which shut off gas mains when seismic activity over a certain level is detected. Being as how gas lines themselves are prone to shearing fractures in the seismic event itself, natural gas doesn't buy you much as a backup fuel. Unless, you maintain your own tank, which takes you back to most of the problems noted above. Regards, Bill McCauley
Bill McCauley sez:
In earthquake country, natural gas is as prone to interruption as any other utility.
True. I had not factored that in. Further, in extreme cold weather, propane freezes (really, does not go liquid->gas). But barring the gas utility starting rationing, it is in many places a viable option. I know a large ISP here in DC has such, or did... -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
At 10:10 AM 8/11/97 -0400, wb8foz wrote:
Bill McCauley sez:
In earthquake country, natural gas is as prone to interruption as any other utility.
True. I had not factored that in. Further, in extreme cold weather, propane freezes (really, does not go liquid->gas).
But barring the gas utility starting rationing, it is in many places a viable option. I know a large ISP here in DC has such, or did...
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On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, wb8foz wrote:
Bill McCauley sez:
In earthquake country, natural gas is as prone to interruption as any other utility.
True. I had not factored that in. Further, in extreme cold weather, propane freezes (really, does not go liquid->gas).
Ya, been there, I had to heat the tank VARY carefully with a blow torch. There is stuff out there to keep the tank heated, but can lead to problems.
But barring the gas utility starting rationing, it is in many places a viable option. I know a large ISP here in DC has such, or did...
Ya, also been there. They shut my house off during that winter, but hehe I own a pipe wrench. So now big deal. Nathan Stratton President, CTO, NetRail,Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone (888)NetRail NetRail, Inc. Fax (404)522-1939 230 Peachtree Suite 500 WWW http://www.netrail.net/ Atlanta, GA 30303 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by his great strength. - Psalm 33:16
I have had propane tanks out in -30 F weather. I have never had a problem with any tanks freezing. Are you certain that you had propane and not #2? Rob Nelson rnelson@internoc.com On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Nathan Stratton wrote:
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, wb8foz wrote:
Bill McCauley sez:
In earthquake country, natural gas is as prone to interruption as any other utility.
True. I had not factored that in. Further, in extreme cold weather, propane freezes (really, does not go liquid->gas).
Ya, been there, I had to heat the tank VARY carefully with a blow torch. There is stuff out there to keep the tank heated, but can lead to problems.
But barring the gas utility starting rationing, it is in many places a viable option. I know a large ISP here in DC has such, or did...
Ya, also been there. They shut my house off during that winter, but hehe I own a pipe wrench. So now big deal.
Nathan Stratton President, CTO, NetRail,Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone (888)NetRail NetRail, Inc. Fax (404)522-1939 230 Peachtree Suite 500 WWW http://www.netrail.net/ Atlanta, GA 30303 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by his great strength. - Psalm 33:16
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