Well, primarily it's the voice service that needs troubleshooting, which is harder to do in the fashion you describe. I just figured Internet service was cheap enough if you were already getting voice. Although that does give me an idea on the Internet... get a line on each and then put a Mikrotik or Raspberry Pi and a RIPE probe on each. Then anything I could likely ever want to test, including making a testing platform available to the rest of the world. That isn't a very high number of test points on each of those networks. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Petach" <mpetach@netflight.com> To: "North American Network Operators Group" <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: "Josh Luthman" <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2025 8:20:36 PM Subject: Re: Genius or Ridiculous? Could you leverage the RIPE Atlas probe infrastructure to give you the answers you need? There are probes on Comcast (868), Frontier (15), AT&T (46), Verizon (54), T-mobile (29). What types of troubleshooting do you generally need to do? Matt On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 1:53 PM Mike Hammett via NANOG < nanog@lists.nanog.org > wrote: Sure, but then I have to bother other people. That's what I'm doing now, but it kinda sucks asking someone else to help you with your job. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Luthman" < josh@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "North American Network Operators Group" < nanog@lists.nanog.org > Cc: "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2025 3:25:22 PM Subject: Re: Genius or Ridiculous? Find a friend with the service instead of subscribing. On Sat, Aug 30, 2025, 4:21 PM Mike Hammett via NANOG < nanog@lists.nanog.org > wrote: My current project is a voice-related project, but how ridiculous would it be to get a line of service from my competitors at my main office for me to do diagnostics from? Internet from Comcast, Frontier, etc. Voice from Frontier, Comcast, AT&T wireless, VZW, and T-Mobile? I'm currently in a situation where I have to engage customers (or the family of employees) to place test calls for me to collect data on because I can't do it any other way. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/TXUNX4V5... _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/APBIVX7A...