On Thu, 14 Aug 2025, Christopher Morrow via NANOG wrote:
The problem(s) from jared's original mail SOUND like a broken thing in some services that PROBABLY tried to provide protections, those either missed the mark or work broken along some timeline... and maybe need some attention to fix/course-correct.
I think part of what Jared is complaining about is something I've complained about for years. For many years, spammers have abused Google groups. i.e. They're apparently able to create a group, import address lists to it, and then spam by emailing the group. Abuse complaints are ignored. I eventually setup a procmail rule to automatically turn messages from one such Google group into ARF formatted complaints to abuse@google.com rather than deliver them to me. It sounds like you may have created additional vectors I'm not familiar with for spammers to abuse. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route Blue Stream Fiber, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________