The idea that we would expect Network Operators to be able to deal with the intricacies of running an irc client with commands and everything. /sarcasm Most windows folk seemed to be able cope with mIRC or whatever the kids are using these days. Even the ones that weren’t into internetworking.
On 21 Aug 2025, at 03:28, Krassimir Tzvetanov via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Ryan,
I am a bit confused. I was using IRC when I was 16 (we didn't have Internet before that) and never found it to be difficult, even when I was a SYSOP. Maybe something has changed over the past 20 years.
As to heavyweight, I think this is self-evident - if you need to install Java - it is... note I never mentioned Teams...
As to the security issues, I would think one knows better than to ask this on a mailing list of this size and publicity, so I'll let you think about that one...
...and maybe this is the issue we have in the community, the days of the hard core network operators have passed, and we do now have point and click generation trying to figure out the Internetz... jokes aside, let's think how competitive we are on the world arena?
Cheers, Krassi
On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 7:07 PM Ryan Hamel <ryan@rkhtech.org> wrote:
Krassi,
There is nothing like the simplicity of IRC.
IRC is anything but simple, with so many clients with varying features, having to know many commands. It makes instructing someone on how to set it up and use it more difficult.
Discord, Slack, are heavyweight and fairly insecure, which also begs the question, what happened to those people that were security conscious?
Heavyweight is subjective, especially when compared to Teams. How they are insecure?
Should we consider starting a IRC server for NANOG
I would argue that if the existing #nanog channels out there are effectively dead, and #ix (could be) slowly winding itself down. A NANOG IRC server would not get anywhere near the use, compared to the NANOG Discord server (https://discord.nanog.org). A *very strong *proposal would need to be made from the Moderation Committee to the Board to make such a thing happen, however with the committee focused on Discord and mailing list, it would likely not happen due to the friction involved in set up and maintenance, for little to no usage in return.
Or should we pick one of Discord and Slack? (none of which I'm a fan TBH)...
The NANOG Discord has been around for a few years, and we'd all be happy if you joined. https://discord.nanog.org
Ryan Hamel
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There is nothing like the simplicity of IRC. TBH, I don't care if the smiling face emoji is animated or just two ASCII characters. Most of the clients - Discord, Slack, are heavyweight and fairly insecure, which also begs the question, what happened to those people that were security conscious? I am not ranting here but I am pointing out the simple fact that people are spending too much time on distractions and not on the actual function and goal they are trying to achieve. Every 2-3 years, there is a new social media hotness that sweeps the crowds and then we end up even more fragmented.
Should we consider starting a IRC server for NANOG, or simply setting up a chat group on Signal? That's at least to solve the NANOG crowd problem... Or should we pick one of Discord and Slack? (none of which I'm a fan TBH)...
We should have a meet up in person during the next NANOG! No cell phones allowed during the meet up! ;)
Cheers, Krassi
On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 5:53 PM Andrew Latham via NANOG < nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
I will make note that two things cause me caution when socializing.
1. NDAs (so many!!!!) 2. Spear Phishing
On Wed, Aug 20, 2025 at 6:49 PM Mark Prosser <mark@zealnetworks.ca> wrote:
On 2025-08-20 20:45, Andrew Latham wrote:
"Get off my lawn!" :P
* Direct chat with peers * Mailing Lists
I avoid walled gardens like discord. I do miss Google+ where I could make my posts globally visible without any ads. Used to run "The Backbone Of The Internet" group there.
:P
You're definitely not wrong to avoid the walled gardens.
I gave Google+ a try a long time ago but I never really explored the groups.
I guess I forgot to mention I'm on Mastodon & Bluesky. I prefer the former, but there isn't much NetEng talk going on there.
Warm regards,
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