Public side of the NAT would need a huge IPv4 Public pool.

Replacing Private pool to something bigger is a very corner case.

Mobile Carriers identify subscribers not by the IP, they could easy tolerate many overlapping 10/8 even on one Mobile Core.

Huge private pool 240/4 is needed only for Cloud providers that have many micro-services.

Nothing to dispute here. The people that need it already well aware about it.

Eduard

From: Abraham Y. Chen [mailto:aychen@avinta.com]
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2024 5:39 AM
To: Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; KARIM MEKKAOUI <amekkaoui@mektel.ca>; Chen, Abraham Y. <AYChen@alum.MIT.edu>
Subject: Stealthy Overlay Network Re: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block
Importance: High

 

Hi, Vasilenko:

 

1)    ... These “multi-national conglo” has enough influence on the IETF to not permit it.":

 

    As classified by Vint Cerf, 240/4 enabled EzIP is an overlay network that may be deployed stealthily (just like the events reported by the RIPE-LAB). So, EzIP deployment does not need permission from the IETF.

 

Regards,

 

 

Abe (2024-01-11 21:38 EST)

 

 

 

 

On 2024-01-11 01:17, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:

> It has been known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without announcement.

This is an assurance that 240/4 would never be permitted for Public Internet. These “multi-national conglo” has enough influence on the IETF to not permit it.

Ed/

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+vasilenko.eduard=huawei.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Abraham Y. Chen
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 3:35 PM
To: KARIM MEKKAOUI <amekkaoui@mektel.ca>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Chen, Abraham Y. <AYChen@alum.MIT.edu>
Subject: 202401100645.AYC Re: IPv4 address block
Importance: High

 

Hi, Karim:

 

1)    If you have control of your own equipment (I presume that your business includes IAP - Internet Access Provider, since you are asking to buy IPv4 blocks.), you can get a large block of reserved IPv4 address for free by disabling the program codes in your current facility that has been disabling the use of 240/4 netblock. Please have a look at the below whitepaper. Utilized according to the outlined disciplines, this is a practically unlimited resources. It has been known that multi-national conglomerates have been using it without announcement. So, you can do so stealthily according to the proposed mechanism which establishes uniform practices, just as well. 

 

    https://www.avinta.com/phoenix-1/home/RevampTheInternet.pdf

 

2)    Being an unorthodox solution, if not controversial, please follow up with me offline. Unless, other NANOGers express their interests.

 

 

Regards,

 

 

Abe (2024-01-10 07:34 EST)

 

 

 

On 2024-01-07 22:46, KARIM MEKKAOUI wrote:

Hi Nanog Community

 

Any idea please on the best way to buy IPv4 blocs and what is the price?

 

Thank you

 

KARIM

 

 

 

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