On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
unless someone here is willing to go on-record as advocating running pre-beta code in a production environment (No? I didn't think so).
Show me one ISP/NSP out there who isn't running beta or alpha code somewhere in their infrastructure. Never ran a x.0 version of IOS? Never patched a piece of software with an "unsupported" patch to fix an issue affecting service? Never developed such a patch yourself (or had a staff member do so)?
MHSC has no desire to become an access provider, we are a services provider, as is dean. This means that, in order to provide services to someone, with an IP address not in our domain, we HAVE to allow for open relays, or not provide the services.
Incorrect. It's a customer training issue, and a little development time on your part. If you can't use SMTP AUTH, don't. Use POP-before-SMTP. Whip up a custom finger daemon to accept a username/password pair in the same manner. Create a webpage for your customers to enter a username and password on to authenticate themselves. Use a VPN. Use magic headers or subject lines that your MTA catches and uses as identity verification. Provide a web-based interface for your customer's email. Use UUCP. I could keep going for hours. What you're calling a show-stopper is merely an inconvenience and expense for you. Instead of spending a little time and effort working on a solution and training your customers on it's use (or several solutions, let the customer choose one that suits their needs best), you'd prefer to operate an attractive nuisance. The vast majority of service providers have been faced with your exact problem, and have solved it through development on their own, or with the assistance of free tools and patches. Just because you're too lazy/ill-funded to develop a solution to a problem YOU'VE created (by CHOOSING to offer that service to your customers), don't expect us to feel sorry for you.
Since when did NANOG become a business censor?
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