Christoper - As I understand the proposed APNIC policy, it only removes the contact information objects from the Bulk whois dataset - With the exception of abuse contact information, APNIC should remove address, phone, fax-no, e-mail, and notify fields (the Contact Information) from Org, IRT, and role objects in the Bulk Access dataset. Hence the title in the policy text reading "prop-162-v003: WHOIS Privacy for Bulk Access”, and the policy Objective as follows - 2. Objective of policy change ----------------------------- This policy will eliminate the unnecessary distribution and retention of APNIC member organisation contact information by third parties. APNIC systems will become the only source of obtaining address, phone, fax-no, e-mail, and notify data for APNIC members. This policy change will not prevent APNIC members or other authorised users of APNIC WHOIS from obtaining contact information for network resources in either ad-hoc or automated queries. FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On Jul 21, 2025, at 8:24 PM, Christopher Hawker <chris@thesysadmin.au> wrote: The APAC community has APNIC Prop-162 WHOIS Privacy up for discussion, which effectively makes person objects in WHOIS redundant. https://www.apnic.net/community/policy/proposals/prop-162/ The idea is to remove (or hide) all PII from WHOIS, as well as other unnecessary information such as street addresses, fax numbers, etc. Regards, Christopher Hawker Sent from my iPhone On 22 Jul 2025, at 8:50 am, John Curran via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote: On Jul 21, 2025, at 5:02 PM, Mel Beckman via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote: ... Let us hope the slippery slope of anonymizing registration data doesn’t creep into ARIN! Rather unlikely to occur, as organizations using ARIN’s registry services are informed that they are public in nature – as benefitting their role in supporting global Internet operations – and take appropriate precautions when collecting and entering personally identifiable information (e.g. personal phones numbers, email address, residential home addresses); more specifically, organizations are to either obtain consent of the individual or use a more appropriate form of contact information (e.g. business number, business email, business street address.) Thanks, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers P.S. This is all covered in ARIN’s privacy policy <https://www.arin.net/about/privacy/>; excerpts from relevant section(s): ARIN collects several types of information through the use of our Websites, Services, and related interactions with individuals: “Personal Data” is information that can be used to identify an individual, such as their given name, postal address, telephone number, fax numbers, or email addresses. … Note that some of these ARIN Services (e.g. our public mailing lists, public wikis, or other public forums, participation in our public meetings, etc.) make the information that you provide public and therefore you are responsible for careful consideration of whether to use these Services. “Organizational Data” is information supplied to ARIN that pertains to the organizations that are authorized to use our Services. The primary data elements that ARIN collects in the normal course of its activities are routine business contact information – organization name, street address, and organizational contact information (i.e. department name or other point of contact in the organization, including business email address and telephone number.) Organizations should only provide Personal Data (of their staff, customers, or others) to ARIN with the consent of the affected individuals, as organizations supplying such information to ARIN are responsible for its ongoing accurate maintenance. … Note that many of ARIN’s Services are registry services or discussion forums that by their inherent nature involve the publication of information either publicly or to an identified community in accordance with specific policies of the registry. _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/CCUXPE2M...