Which is good. They're doing the right thing in general. -----Original Message----- From: Constantine A. Murenin via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 9:22 PM To: Tim Burke <tim@mid.net> Cc: nanog@lists.nanog.org; Constantine A. Murenin <mureninc@gmail.com> Subject: [NANOG] Re: ISPs in Spain are blocking CDN IP ranges to tackle soccer piracy You cannot expect the entire world to have the same laws as the United States. If laws of foreign countries specify that some content that's legal in the US has to be blocked in said country, it's 100% Cloudflare's fault for wilfully and intentionally making such blocking impossible apart from blocking Cloudflare's entire network, affecting all the other customers, too. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. A simple Google Search for ESNI / Encrypted Client Hello (ECH) / DNS over HTTPS (DoH) is all Cloudflare on top. They didn't just make it impossible by accident, they made it impossible by design. They've literally wilfully and intentionally engineered their entire network for the all-or-nothing scenario. C. On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 at 18:10, Tim Burke <tim@mid.net> wrote:
These incidents shouldn’t be a thing to begin with, as “censorship” is not within the scope of an ISP’s responsibilities. Eyeball customers pay for access to the whole internet, not “the internet minus every CDN because ISP thinks it’s their responsibility to block websites they don’t want to allow”.
On Apr 14, 2025, at 16:16, Constantine A. Murenin via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
How is it NOT Cloudflare's fault that their entire network always gets blocked in these incidents?
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