In our area of Canada, the electrical company has a "shared trench" agreement, where ISPs (who have done the paperwork and have elected to get involved in X project in a Y subdivision) have access to put their own conduit in while the trenches are dug for electrical, or they can pay the same contractor who does the electrical work to also put in conduit to their own specs / connected to their ISP system. Since it's usually done for greenfield and a shared build, the costs can be lower even when you consider the fact that the electrical company's subcontractors are often a lot more expensive per hour / bureaucratic than for the in-house ISP crews. I would assume that that model is done in most places, but definitely cannot guarantee. There are some developers who may be doing their electrical separate from the electrical company before turning it over, so they may choose not to get involved in such agreements to save time/money. -----Original Message----- From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+colin-lists=highspeedcrow.ca@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent: January 2, 2025 5:52 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: New home builders without wires On Mon, 30 Dec 2024, Brandon Martin wrote:
But yeah, I'm of the impression that anything we'd colloquially call a "mansion" (which is much bigger than what the real estate agents would call one) is probably going to have dedicated service of some sort. The same goes for larger hotels, though smaller (and low-rate) ones usually just go with small-business consumer access mechanisms.
I'm not worried about the 400 mega-billionaires. If a certain mega-billionaire wants to build a company town in Brownsville Texas with ZERO terrestrial communication alternatives according to the FCC Broadband Map (no cable, no fiber, not even 5G cellular fixed wireless), you better like Starlink. Ignoring the top 1%, and even the top 20% who build (owner-financed) custom homes. I'm still wondering, for the 70% of new tract home construction, are ISPs not interested in greenfield construction anymore? Greenfield construction used to be much cheaper than brownfield development projects later. I assume some ISP business finance reason I don't understand. 5G fixed wireless is that good now? Or that cheap now?