18 Dec
                
                    1996
                
            
            
                18 Dec
                
                '96
                
            
            
            
        
    
                4:59 a.m.
            
        At 06:07 AM 12/17/96 -0000, James D. Wilson wrote:
And if you are pinging across frame relay your ICMP packet loss might be your packets above the CIR which have been discarded and also not indicative of IP packet loss.
If you explicitly introduce L2 connectivity into this paradigm, it gets much, much more complicated. - paul