On Sat, Aug 23, 2025 at 01:23:44PM -0400, Josh Luthman via NANOG wrote:
Keep in mind the companies don't want to go through the hassle, it's the copyright legislation that's the foundation of all this mess.
Well, feel free to hate on copyright legislation with my blessing, but that's just not accurate. Businesses have a legitimate reason for wanting to be able to understand location, which ranges from technostuff like network path optimization to more mundane stuff like fraud risk analysis for financial transactions. I don't think there's anything in copyright legislation that requires IP location mapping, but certainly there are contractual obligations for distribution "zones"; the classic example of this would probably be the way that physical discs may have limitations on them for which geographical area of the world they are supposed to be limited to. The foundation of THAT is really financial, as content is priced according to what the economy of a geographical area is likely to be able to tolerate. Whether or not companies want to go through the hassle of self-identifying the geoloc of their IP's is another matter. If you want to look at the problem from the reverse lens, Netflix could legitimately claim to be ticked off that it is so hard for them because a third party, the ISP, is failing to provide reasonable information about the location of their endpoints. So this gets complicated quickly now that we have four parties involved, Netflix, ipinsight, ISPco, and sad end user. Could possibly implicate ARIN/RIR's in there too. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"-Asimov