Something was up with the headers on this message delivering multiple copies to NANOG. Possibly Thunderbird inserted an extra CC to the list. /This/ message only has To: nanog@lists.nanog.org and should be delivered once. If so, nothing is wrong the list and it was my fault for not checking the CC header. I'm also seeing most but not all list messages with To: NANOG From: NANOG. To see who actually sent the message I have to check the message source as it's saved in X-MailFrom. Is this the new expected behaviour after the server upgrade? On 8/03/25 13:51, nanog--- via NANOG wrote:
On 3/03/25 15:46, Josh Luthman via NANOG wrote:
What does it matter if they are the only option within 100 miles?
there are still plenty of transit providers No, there isn't. I literally just got an email from HE minutes ago and their closest point is an 80 mile drive. As I stated in my previous post, "We have had to build fiber about 20 route miles ($1MM) to reach our second provider. Our first provider was 4 route miles." Not everyone has the luxury of spending a million bucks to get a second fiber option.
That means HE had to build fiber about 100 miles ($5MM) to reach the location where you are peering with them. Not everyone has the luxury of spending 5 million bucks to peer with you for free.
Competition is not a luxury everyone has. Bringing awareness to (IMO bad) practices like BGP fees is a good thing for network operators.
You're welcome to become the competition. It should be about 100 miles ($5MM) to reach a place 100 miles away where there's another option. Will you be able to make enough money to justify this, or will you have to charge fees to your downstreams?
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