Yes. Juniper has done it day1, not with MIBs tho, but XML. Of course they could have delivered static translation to MIBs, if there was market demand, like they did for YANG. And this is both desirable and most we can ask. And the next time someone comes up with an idea of standard models, in a new format, vendors can sigh and write a static translator and wait for the market to realise why it doesn't work. Instead of spending a lot of time on redoing the fantasy of standard MIBs, we should figure out how to create an ecosystem where model2model translations are easier to do and are work-preserving. So that if one of us does model translation, they can share that, and we can consume both models and that translation in any programming language. So instead of internally everyone doing the same work every time they need to support a new model, we'd first check if someone has published the translation that we need. We can create perfect 100% coverage YANG models representing a snapshot in time but the further we drift in time the more useless that model becomes. Like today we mostly use a subset of IF-MIB as standard, everything else is enterprise. Even BGP is usually enterprise, because things like IPv6 happened, and there wasn't a standard available so people migrated to enterprise MIB, plenty of examples like this and today we've mostly given up, we don't even try to catch-up and deliver standard MIBs. Proposing the above problem can be solved by changing model language is weird, but that's basically what we are as an industry saying. 100% on board data-first/model-first internal representation (I think Junos, SROS, maybe others today?) 0% on board for standard models On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 at 16:12, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025, Saku Ytti via NANOG wrote:
If vendors had always done what Nokia did, always have 100% coverage of Internal State to MIB, we would have all automated this decades ago. And you'd just have this mapping infra of OIDs to vendors for your provisioning needs.
Well, several of the vendors have been doing this for a while now, with their internal yang modeled configuration engines. So their proprietary models have full coverage (can't create configuration without creating model).
-- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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