Bill, that's the typical definition that I've used and it's what I'm referring to in this type of relationship. Reiterated, "This threat list service is labeling my customer as a threat, and that is interfering with my ability to enable them to reach the entire internet." Lots of details are not said, it is a high standard to meet, but it is a term that "their guys" understand, which is usually enough to get that constructive conversation. I also reiterate my previous point that if the constructive conversation were easier to start, we'd have a internet with better neighbors. These threat lists do not even send abuse emails to us on our ARIN listed contacts - only the DMCA guys do that. Eric ________________________________ From: William Herrin via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2025 4:03 PM To: Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org>; William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> Subject: Re: Amazon AWS cloudfront WAF block On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 12:39 PM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
Without attempting to actually clarify what tortious interference actually is, let's just make it clear that Bill's attempted explanation isn't it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference "As an example, someone [...] could obstruct someone's ability to honor a contract with a client by deliberately refusing to deliver necessary goods." I hate using wikipedia to "prove" a point, but if you want to understand something in plain language it's a pretty good place to start reading. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin bill@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/ _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/ZHCWOQKI...