On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
Sabri Berisha: Sunday, July 09, 2000 8:27 AM
I can understand your grief. However, I expect you to have the same commen sense most of us have and you will probably know who to blame for this. Do you wish to blame the spammers or the volunteers who fight spam?
Now that you mention it, yes I do. Spammers don't block access. The RBL, which my systems subscribe to, only lists systems that are PROVEN to originate or relay spam. ORBS simply is on the "close all relays" jihad even if the system never saw spam.
It is not about a war against open relays. It's about giving a network admin the *choice* to accept mail from open relays.
This is very Napoleanic, not something that I can condone. Also, as I said, there are valid reasons to allow third-party relays.
Allowing third-party relays may affect more than your own users...
If you don't see requireing internal confidential email to go through an untrusted IAP mail hub as a security issue then we have nothing more to talk about.
Ever heared of pgp?
You can find the criteria on http://www.orbs.org
The criteria is arguable, but more importantly, where is the oversight?
What do you mean by oversight?
You are free to come with a proposal?
How about setting up a REAL organization for once, rather than these ad hoc hanging committees? You know, incorporate a non-profit, feed it $$$ and watch it grow? Require membership approval, oversight, etc.? You know, legitimate operations.
Like I said; come with a proposal and we can all see if we can agree on it? -- Sabri Berisha